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low gas milage

low gas milage

Postby beanslicer » Tue Feb 09, 2010 9:15 pm

hey guys, so I've been driving around for a couple months now, and i seem to be getting terrible gas mileage, i mean really bad...
i max out at 23 on highway and at around 17 city driving... and i am not an aggressive driver.
I've replaced the a/f sensor because the CEL came on, and the mechanic said that should resolve my mileage problems, only that it was a month ago, and my mileage is still just as bad...
also, i replaced one of the rear wheel bearing assemblies as my car makes a humming noise when driving, and it kept doing so, i went to the mechanic, and he said the other is bad also, so i will be replacing it soon, but i am wondering, is there any other reason it could be making such a noise... some details on that: it squeaks when i pull out and am still touching the break then at around 15mph it starts to make a grunting noise, and at 40 and above that noise turns into a hum that gets louder the faster i go... it doesn't seem to get worse over time though.
anyway, if you are familiar with stuff like this, or might have suggestions let me know.
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Postby ThatVietGuy » Tue Feb 09, 2010 9:41 pm

Year? Mileage?

Could be time to replace spark plugs and wires and clean assorted components.
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Postby beanslicer » Wed Feb 10, 2010 7:00 am

its a 2000 with 68k on it
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Postby frohboy33 » Wed Feb 10, 2010 8:50 am

Where do you live? Cold weather + winter gas = bad gas mileage
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Postby beanslicer » Wed Feb 10, 2010 9:43 am

long island, NY. so yeah its pretty cold here, but is it enough to cause the gas milage to be that bad... i mean, 17mpg is what a hummer should be gettin, not a solara
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Postby frohboy33 » Wed Feb 10, 2010 10:41 am

On fueleconomy.gov its only rated at 17mpg for in town. I think your right on.

I have a 2001 es300 that im only getting 14mpg with in the winter. Really cold here. Sub zero temps is quite frequent at night.
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Postby solara90 » Wed Feb 10, 2010 11:49 am

that really isnt that bad, i get about 20-22 city during the winter and i have a 4 banger...
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Re: low gas milage

Postby jimmm » Wed Feb 10, 2010 12:05 pm

beanslicer wrote:... some details on that: it squeaks when i pull out and am still touching the break...
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Hey, beanslicer. I don't have any suggestions for your questions, but
I could not help noticing what you wrote which I've quoted above. Why
would you be "still touching the brakes" when you pull out? I might be wrong,
but it seems to me that accelerating and braking at the same time would be
counter-productive or, at least, a little double-minded. :D I know there are people
who drive automatics with both feet, but I've never done it, so I don't know what
is the advantage of that. I can usually get one foot to work fast enough to get from the
accelerator to the brake and from the brake to the accelerator without any
loss in performance either way. Please explain? Thanks, man.
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Postby beanslicer » Wed Feb 10, 2010 1:24 pm

haha, jimmm, you misunderstood me, i meant, when you are just pulling out of a parking spot, when the acceleration of the car w/o even touching the gas is too much, so you have to touch the break to slow it down... thats when the squeaking occurs.
i never drive with both the gas and the break pedal pressed, as you said, that would deff be counter-intuitive :)
btw, do people really drive with both feet on auto's? that just seems damn uncomfortable...
oh, and since i am posting an answer to you... today i turned my TOYota into a TOY as i strapped some rope to it, and went snowboarding down the streets behind it... it was really fun
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Postby jimmm » Wed Feb 10, 2010 1:35 pm

Yes, I did misunderstand, beanslicer. Thanks for enlightening me.
Yes, I have seen people use both feet on an automatic, and it
drives me crazy, so to speak. But people do what people have to
do. Are you serious about snowboarding behind your own car? Who
was driviing?
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Postby beanslicer » Wed Feb 10, 2010 3:24 pm

my friend was driving :) another was videoing
here i just uploaded some videos: http://www.youtube.com/user/beanslicer# ... o78I5Ujk5A
this is the first one, and there are two more videos there.
its alot of fun, and really not as dangerous as it seems, as this was done on roads that are very quiet, and we didnt go out onto the main roads.
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Postby dug320 » Sat Feb 13, 2010 1:27 am

Actually cold weather means greater fuel economy if it is dry and you are not slipping. Cold air contains more Oxygen and thus gives a more efficient burn.
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Postby ChrissyD123 » Sat Feb 13, 2010 1:59 am

Mine isnt so great either. Not that it makes a HUGE difference, but having higher cylinders can have that effect also. Maybe the Lara was made to have lower gas mileage. But tiz also a toyota... which is making me scratch my head. I drove a Yarus awhile back and it got 40-45 or even 50 (I THINK thats what the sheet said) on the highway, and like 30 or a little bit more in the city. It's just an older car so I'd just maintenance. my check engine light goes ON AND OFF all the time. And right when I get my code reader, it goes away. So something is working half the time and the other half it isn't. {I'm pulling my hair out smily}
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Postby no_escape » Sat Feb 13, 2010 8:19 am

Some Seafoam, new plugs, clean the MAF with electronics cleaner, check air filter and replace if needed.

Had a similar bearing issue with an older car of mine. I had to replace the bearings, then an alignment, and also check the tires. They can wear unevenly and create a hum the faster you go.
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Postby frohboy33 » Mon Feb 15, 2010 2:05 pm

dug320 wrote:Actually cold weather means greater fuel economy if it is dry and you are not slipping. Cold air contains more Oxygen and thus gives a more efficient burn.


The oxygen is more dense and to dense for effeiciency. This is from a lexus es300 forum. makes sense to me.

Yet, despite diligent all-around maintenance and continued careful driving, cold weather fuel consumption can be dramatically worse than in warm temperatures.

How much worse?

Have a gander at these calculations for a Honda Civic hybrid at 60 MPH in varying ambient temperatures:

MPH-----AMBIENT-TEMP-----MPG (US)

60------------95----------52.98
60------------85----------52.62
60------------75----------51.16
60------------65----------49.12
60------------55----------47.22
60------------45----------44.67
60------------35----------43.05
60------------25----------41.54
60------------15----------39.41
60------------05----------38.09

Look at the extremes: the coldest MPG is 28% lower than the warmest.

My own experience supports this: 12.5% worse mileage during the colder half of the year (Oct 15 to Apr 15) than for the warmest half (Apr 15 - Oct 15), on average 2002-2004 in my 1989 Accord. Comparing just the warmest months (Jun-Aug) to the coldest (Dec-Feb), the difference is even more apparent - 21.2% worse.

Why so bad? Off the top of my head, I could think of a couple of reasons to explain it, but together they didn't seem significant enough to account for the magnitude of the change. With this mystery to solve, I hit Google. And here's what I learned...

9 reasons your winter fuel economy bites

1. More idling

This should be a no-brainer, yet parked idling cars are a common sight in cold weather. Resist the temptation to idle your car to warm it up. An idling engine gets 0 mpg. Consider also that idling the engine does nothing to warm up the tires and drivetrain.

Even in the coldest weather, you can begin driving after 30 seconds from a cold start - keep speeds low/moderate and use gentle acceleration until the temperature gauge starts to climb (source).

2. Low tire pressure

Of course you're smart enough to keep up your tire pressure as the temperature drops, right? A 10-degree (F) change in ambient temperature equates to a 1 psi change in tire pressure (source). Fuel economy declines 0.4 percent for every 1 psi drop (source).

3. Increased rolling resistance

Even if you're completely attentive to proper tire pressure, cold ambient temperatures will still cause your tires to return worse mileage. That's because a tire's shape isn't completely round - the sidewall bulges out at the bottom, and where the tread meets the road the small contact patch is actually flat. As the tire rotates, it constantly deforms to this shape, and this deformation requires more energy when the rubber is cold and hard. Rolling resistance at 0 degrees F is 20% greater than at 80 degrees (source 1, source 2).

4. Crappy road conditions

It's increased rolling resistance of another kind: driving through slush and snow. And then there's its wasteful polar (no pun intended) opposite: no friction at all! (A.K.A. wheelspin on ice.)

5. Lower average engine temperature

In the winter, an engine takes longer to reach operating temperature and cools off faster when shut off. Since the engine management system orders up a richer mixture when cold (proportionately more fuel in the air/fuel combination), more fuel is being burned overall.

A block heater can offset this problem (improving fuel economy by 10% in sub-zero conditions - source), as can garage parking, and combining trips (to minimize the number of cold/hot cycles).

Also related...

6. Higher average lubricant viscosity

Engine oil thickens as it cools. So does transmission and differential fluids and even bearing grease. Significantly more energy is needed to overcome the added drag these cold lubricants cause.

Using synthetic fluids can address this problem, since their viscosity changes less at extreme temperatures than traditional mineral fluids.

7. Weaker gasoline

Gasoline doesn't vaporize readily at very cold temperatures. So oil companies formulate fuel differently for cold-weather markets in the winter. Unfortunately, the changes that provide better cold vaporization characteristics also result in less available energy for combustion. You won't get as far on a liter of winter gas as you will on a liter of summer gas. (Source.)

8. Higher electrical loads

In colder temps, you use electrical accessories more often:

- lights (in higher lattitudes it's darker in the winter)
- rear window defroster (because it's easier than using the ice scraper, right?)
- heater blower motor (I don't have a/c, so this isn't balanced out during warm conditions); heated seats/mirrors
- windshield washer pump (because it's easier than using the ice scraper, right? And for frequently cleaning off dirty road spray.)

9. More aerodynamic drag

No, I'm not referring to the layer of snow you're too lazy to brush off the top of the car (though that would hurt mpg too).

A vehicles aerodynamic drag is proportional to air density, and the density increases as temperature drops. For every 10 degree F drop in temperature, aerodynamic drag increases by 2% .


Sorry to get so technical but this is whats really going on most likely
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