V6Performance.net Car Specific Ground Wire Kit *56K Beware*

[JspecSC3]

No offense but I think it's hilarious that you guys would pay someone extra money for a grounding "kit"

No offense, just suggesting people do some of there own thinking and customizing.

Have you seen this grounding kit? I have. Have you seen the prices of other brand name grounding kits that actually work? I have. The prices are not cheap my friend. Expect to spend over $100 for the good stuff that actually works. This guy who did the grounding kit for STOCKSOLARA used some pretty good stuff. The connectors are solid nickle and the guage for the wires he used were absolutely perfect. In your comment above you had suggested using 0 guage. My friend 0 guage is overkill. You arent grounding millions of billions of volts of electricity. 4 guage is just perfect. Not too big and not too small. And as far as doing the work ourselves..you know there are some people that do get grounding kits but do know know where the grounding points are. Besides, $50 is cheap. Im still shocked.

[StockSolara]

Why didnt you try something like this instead making your own. Im sure you could get this to work and it would have been cheaper. But anyway I find it hard to believe that this is worth doing for hp gains. Its probably an unnoticable gain. Can you explain this better?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/TRUST-GR ... dZViewItem

Go ahead and buy that. . . No one is stopping you

Wasn't trying to flame you, I was just asking what is the difference between the greddy one and yours. If they are the same im just saying you could have save some of your cash. But can you explain how you get some hp out of it. I just dont see the logic i guess. The way I understand it is if you ground your engine with the battery and the frame you get a better ground to the wheels. This probably relieves the alternator of some wear and tear. But the alternator is still connected to the accessory belt. Which is still adding resistance. I just dont see where there are gains thats all.

If you read and stop jumping to conclusions. . . I explain everything I felt as a difference and plus if you really think that ebay crap is real GReddy. . . I don't know what else to say to you man

[solow1605]

Dude, you seem like a cool guy not an ignorant idiot. I HAVE an Ebay grounding kit. Its a piece of crap. With a cheap grounding kit you increase your risk of catching your car on fire and itdoes make a SLIGHT SLIGHT difference. The kit that Samson has is awesome Top of the line. You will get the MOST out of your grounding kit instead of a half-ass job. You get what you pay for. Do you really wanna put something like hat ebay kit on your car. Just LOOK at the differences man. You'll see it. I cant honestly tell you all the things that a good grounding kit does, because its something you'll notice when you have them. Its not a purchase you'll regret. Try it out and you will see for yourself that it really was money well spent. Give it a chance man. Your car will run better, simple as that, your sound system will sound better, your idle will be a bit smoother, its just a good thing to have. More connections, more benefits. Good luck man. Oh ya not to mention looks siCk

[Solorange]

Why didnt you try something like this instead making your own. Im sure you could get this to work and it would have been cheaper. But anyway I find it hard to believe that this is worth doing for hp gains. Its probably an unnoticable gain. Can you explain this better?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/TRUST-GR ... dZViewItem

Go ahead and buy that. . . No one is stopping you

Wasn't trying to flame you, I was just asking what is the difference between the greddy one and yours. If they are the same im just saying you could have save some of your cash. But can you explain how you get some hp out of it. I just dont see the logic i guess. The way I understand it is if you ground your engine with the battery and the frame you get a better ground to the wheels. This probably relieves the alternator of some wear and tear. But the alternator is still connected to the accessory belt. Which is still adding resistance. I just dont see where there are gains thats all.

If you read and stop jumping to conclusions. . . I explain everything I felt as a difference and plus if you really think that ebay schlock-schlock-schlock is real GReddy. . . I don't know what else to say to you man

Well I read your first post saying that your car has smoother idle and it makes your lights brighter, it helps out your sound systemand what not. Im just asking you how do you make hp gain from it. You said you feel like you got 2hp out of it. I am asking how does that work. You didnt explain that in your post.

And thanks for answering the difference between yours and the ebay one.

[solow1605]

Dude you're missing the POINT!!! HP gains are MINIMAL. This is for your CAR! Please, do me a favor, BUY the kit. You especially. I want all the members of this forum knowing what a skeptic has to say about it. I promise you'll be pleased. Grounding kits arent necessary, but its a GREAT thing to have. Buy one man, they're cheap and you'll love it. (BTW, i'm not tryin to push this stuff, its just i want everyone to realize how nice this kit is to have)

[JspecSC3]

Why didnt you try something like this instead making your own. Im sure you could get this to work and it would have been cheaper. But anyway I find it hard to believe that this is worth doing for hp gains. Its probably an unnoticable gain. Can you explain this better?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/TRUST-GR ... dZViewItem

Horsepower gains??? Ebay???
First of all, you rarely gain any horsepower. 1 if you are lucky. Grounding kits were not made to give you noticable gains in horsepower. Their job is to simply trap free flowing electricity in the engine bay and keep it moving in a smoother manner so it doesnt interfere with your electrical. It basically benefits all of your electrical components such as a sound system, headlights, and some have reported having increased fuel mileage. (but not a dramatic increase). The ebay stuff is horrible. Their wires are braided very thin using some kind of cheap material. Their terminals are mostly aluminum plated in gold or some shiny paint. Why do you think they are so cheap? Grounding your car I would say is worth it in the long run. But as far as hp gains..I wouldnt count on it.

[StockSolara]

Why didnt you try something like this instead making your own. Im sure you could get this to work and it would have been cheaper. But anyway I find it hard to believe that this is worth doing for hp gains. Its probably an unnoticable gain. Can you explain this better?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/TRUST-GR ... dZViewItem

Go ahead and buy that. . . No one is stopping you

Wasn't trying to flame you, I was just asking what is the difference between the greddy one and yours. If they are the same im just saying you could have save some of your cash. But can you explain how you get some hp out of it. I just dont see the logic i guess. The way I understand it is if you ground your engine with the battery and the frame you get a better ground to the wheels. This probably relieves the alternator of some wear and tear. But the alternator is still connected to the accessory belt. Which is still adding resistance. I just dont see where there are gains thats all.

If you read and stop jumping to conclusions. . . I explain everything I felt as a difference and plus if you really think that ebay schlock-schlock-schlock is real GReddy. . . I don't know what else to say to you man

Well I read your first post saying that your car has smoother idle and it makes your lights brighter, it helps out your sound systemand what not. Im just asking you how do you make hp gain from it. You said you feel like you got 2hp out of it. I am asking how does that work. You didnt explain that in your post.

And thanks for answering the difference between yours and the ebay one.

It's a joke. . . anyone would a sense of humor or logic knows you can't feel 2 hp gain so in other words my car doesn't feel faster like all those rice boys out there thinks

[solow1605]

So now that we have this out of the way and have established that you dont get a miraculous 100 hp from this ground wire kit. Whats it gonna be? There's a reason why people are buying them homie, find out for yourself

[Solorange]

Why didnt you try something like this instead making your own. Im sure you could get this to work and it would have been cheaper. But anyway I find it hard to believe that this is worth doing for hp gains. Its probably an unnoticable gain. Can you explain this better?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/TRUST-GR ... dZViewItem

Horsepower gains??? Ebay???
First of all, you rarely gain any horsepower. 1 if you are lucky. Grounding kits were not made to give you noticable gains in horsepower. Their job is to simply trap free flowing electricity in the engine bay and keep it moving in a smoother manner so it doesnt interfere with your electrical. It basically benefits all of your electrical components such as a sound system, headlights, and some have reported having increased fuel mileage. (but not a dramatic increase). The ebay stuff is horrible. Their wires are braided very thin using some kind of cheap material. Their terminals are mostly aluminum plated in gold or some shiny paint. Why do you think they are so cheap? Grounding your car I would say is worth it in the long run. But as far as hp gains..I wouldnt count on it.

Well thats what i was asking what the difference for the ebay one. I understand that. I was just surprised to read the claim he made that he could feel a 2hp gain. Cause I agree with you. I dont see how you can make hp gain from that. I was just questioned the hp gain thing. I didnt know you were joking about the hp thing. Its hard to detect sarcasim when you read conversations instead of hear them. I guess i should have made it more clear in my first post on what i was asking. Im actually am interested now. I just have to descide wheather i want spend 120 towards my wheels or to put it towards this. Ill let you know when i get my paycheck this friday.

[StockSolara]

Why didnt you try something like this instead making your own. Im sure you could get this to work and it would have been cheaper. But anyway I find it hard to believe that this is worth doing for hp gains. Its probably an unnoticable gain. Can you explain this better?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/TRUST-GR ... dZViewItem

Horsepower gains??? Ebay???
First of all, you rarely gain any horsepower. 1 if you are lucky. Grounding kits were not made to give you noticable gains in horsepower. Their job is to simply trap free flowing electricity in the engine bay and keep it moving in a smoother manner so it doesnt interfere with your electrical. It basically benefits all of your electrical components such as a sound system, headlights, and some have reported having increased fuel mileage. (but not a dramatic increase). The ebay stuff is horrible. Their wires are braided very thin using some kind of cheap material. Their terminals are mostly aluminum plated in gold or some shiny paint. Why do you think they are so cheap? Grounding your car I would say is worth it in the long run. But as far as hp gains..I wouldnt count on it.

Well thats what i was asking what the difference for the ebay one. I understand that. I was just surprised to read the claim he made that he could feel a 2hp gain. Cause I agree with you. I dont see how you can make hp gain from that. I was just questioned the hp gain thing. I guess i should have made it more clear in my first post on what i was asking. Im actually am interested now. I just have to descide wheather i want 120 towards my wheels or to put it towards this. Ill let you know when i get my paycheck this friday.

If you're going to debate on this and saving up for rims than man go for the rims. . . forget the ground wires. . . rims all the way

[Solorange]

Well, its not really going to affect me from ever getting my rims. Its just it will take me longer to get them. You guys definatly sparked my interest. And I think im gonna take your advise on going for the wheels first since thats been like the thing I want most for my car. But as long as you are going to be selling this for a while. Ill take you guys up on this after all this debating. I get a set after I buy the wheels.

But anyway we cant keep this converstion going cause it will just piss off the moderators. Anyways for all you guys just reading this, read the debate and learn from it. Then decide if you want this. Stocksolara seems to be a reputable guy on here am im sure he knows what he was talking about. And your right the ebay one doesnt look as heavy duty as yours anyway. I dont really trust universal stuff. And then theres always that saying "you get what you pay for" Sorry if messed up your thread.

[StockSolara]

Well, its not really going to affect me from ever getting my rims. Its just it will take me longer to get them. You guys definatly sparked my interest. And I think im gonna take your advise on going for the wheels first since thats been like the thing I want most for my car. But as long as you are going to be selling this for a while. Ill take you guys up on this after all this debating. I get a set after I buy the wheels.

But anyway we cant keep this converstion going cause it will just piss off the moderators. Anyways for all you guys just reading this, read the debate and learn from it. Then decide if you want this. Stocksolara seems to be a reputable guy on here am im sure he knows what he was talking about. And your right the ebay one doesnt look as heavy duty as yours anyway. I dont really trust universal stuff. And then theres always that saying "you get what you pay for" Sorry if messed up your thread.

Hey man it's cool. . .I just realize they are arranging a group buy so this is probably the cheapest you can get it. . . haha mind as well get it now

[TheTamago]

All i want is cleaner power running my baby

[juicedsolara]

sorry for starting wwIII, I was just trying to alert people that this isn't something that you should have to pay 120 dollars for. 0 gauge is overkill, but it fed my point. You can get 0 gauge and good terminals for less than 120 dollars.

I didn't really think you were being sarcastic either, that's part of what made me laugh. You guys can do what you want, I was merely trying to alert those who cared that this is a DIY job. We can all see from your pic the best spot to ground the engine, and from there we just need to make a bare spot to connect it to the car. If you guys want to defend yourselfs and get all pissy again then so be it, but for those who say buy it, you'll feel the difference I say make one your wallet will feel the difference.

[michaels artic frost]

Glad to see that you guys sort this out in a calm and friendly fashion. This could have been totally out of control and us Moderators would have had to move this to the Troll Corral.

We all have our own questions for any particular mods/upgrades that we plan on doing to our cars. If one has a question to get a better understanding of things, then they ask; perhaps sometimes we ask in a manner that others may take it the wrong way. We can't please everyone with how we word things. But, all in all, I'm glad to see that we have sensible members that are willing to listen and respect what others have to voice.

Therefore, kudos to you SG members that have got your stuff together !!! And I mean this in the sincerest way.

Happy Holidays,
Michael