Which high flow fuel pump should I get?

[Astro]

Talk to Eric about options. I had the same concerns about the smog check, so I'm getting one from JPP with a slightly different cat than what Eric has. He says that it should pass emmissions with no problem. I'm also getting a slightly different muffler.

Cool, I'll do that.
Thanks

[cubansolara]

I'm definetely interested. Will the Solara kit include the thermostat? Is there any chance of a Groupbuy? Thank You.

[Gadget]

I'm definetely interested. Will the Solara kit include the thermostat? Is there any chance of a Groupbuy? Thank You.

Yes it will include the thermostat.

Group buy? Not real sure there just yet. Our margin is so low in the kit and we have been resisting a price increase. We would have to see how many would want to do this at one time.

I know the truck line really well, but I don't know the differences in the Camry through the years. You all will have to help me there.

What years are the same as Joe's 99 that I did? I am looking for engines equiped with the same injectors, MAF and the same old style O2 sensors? Also, what year did they start using the returnless fuel system?

I know that starting in 2000 Toyota started replacing the front O2 sensors on the trucks with the new style air/fuel ratio sensors. Does anyone know when they or if they started doing that on the Camry?

The reason why I am asking is that the program will have to be adjusted for the differences if any in the MAF sensor, injectors, and what they used as a O2 sensor. Once I know this I can tell you what years our kit with its current form will work on and what years will need a different program.

Gadget

www.URDUSA.com

[JoeB]

I'm surprised you're asking for a group buy. Gadget hasn't posted prices for the kit yet. If you go to his web site and look at the prices of the kits for the 4-Runner, you'll find he has GREAT prices! You couldn't buy all of those parts in group buys for as little as he is selling them for. It's like having a very good group buy price all the time! -JoeB

[Ragtop George]

Gadget;

I would be quite interested in your package, I have a 2002 Solara Convertible. I don't know if it has the same sensors as the '99 or not. It originally came with the close coupled cats (triple cat system)

George

[GoT_TRD]

Count me in... ill be putting on my s/c with 6.2psi this weekend along with my afc II, so i need the fuel upgrade asap..

[Mudd]

Interesting stuff here. So a standard Walboro 190lph is too tall for the Solara tanks? And I still fail to see why a simple rewire won't solve 90% of the fuel issues these people are having. It's simple - take a 10 gauge or even an 8 gauge wire. Fuse it at the battery, and run the wire back to the fuel pump relay. You'll see a measurable increase in pressure, without having to bend over and smile for the Kenne Bell kit (which is nothing but an adjustable resistor). If you guys want, I'll even post a how-to rewire a fuel pump tech for you. It's not hard with a standard relay, and is easily returnable to stock. I've been doing that for years.

Gadget - why do you use an FTC to yank timing at low RPM? Why not just use an AFC and lean it out a bit on the low end, then gradually work it back to rich with the AFC? I know you said the ECU doesn't acnowlegde the knock sensor below 3000RPM, so why not just fool the ECU?

What kind of timing advance are you getting at WOT on these boosted cars? I'll assume base timing's what, 5 degrees or so? (bear with me, my Solara doesn't get here for another couple of weeks, so I can't check it myself). So you're seeing what, 35-30 degrees advance at WOT?

[Ragtop George]

Mudd;

The Kenne Bell kit is NOT a resistor, it is a DC-DC convertor which increases the voltage to the fuel pump to 17 volts or so. A resistor would reduce the voltage. The gain by just going to a larger wire gauge is going to be very minimal, you can't increase the fuel flow by the required 30-50% by increasing the voltage by only a few percent.

The reason that Gadget is pulling timing at low RPM is because of detonation-leaning the fuel would only make it worse. Its not about fooling the ECU, it is about protecting the engine from damage. The only way to eliminate the low RPM detonation is to retard the timing at those RPMs.

George

[Gadget]

The the High Gear/Low RPM-Ping (HG/LR-Ping) is not a problem with the fuel mixture. It is an ignition timing problem. If you have your supercharger installed as per TRD's instructions you really should not have a problem because there is no boost below 3400 RPM.

If you modify the installation per the instructions that I will include in our upgrade kit you will have boost as soon as you mash the throttle at any RPM, the real benifit of a postitive displacement supercharger.

That is how TRD has addressed the HG/LR-Ping in the Camry, they just don't allow boost at low RPMs and that really sucks. With the boost now available we need to pull a few degrees of timing out to supress the HG/LR-Ping so you can enjoy ping free boosted torque that will bring a big smile to your face as it presses you into the seat like never before.

The Boost-A-Pump is a voltage amplifier not a voltage reducer like a resistor. You are not going to get the same benifit from just upgrading the wiring.

Kenne-Bell does not seem to be very interested in wholesaling the BAPs to us at a decent price. There is no way that thing should cost so much. We are going to make our own pump amplifiers, but it will take a while so our kits are going to use the Kenne-Bell unit until we get ours made and well tested.

We should have a kit price for the 99 very soon then you all can start having as much fun as Joe is.

Gadget

www.GadgetOnline.com

[Vampire]

Does this mean that the EBC is taken off (because the EBC won't open the bypass valve till about 3k)? If so, how do we protect against rev limit boost concerns? Just curious and very interested in your kit.

If you modify the installation per the instructions that I will include in our upgrade kit you will have boost as soon as you mash the throttle at any RPM, the real benifit of a postitive displacement supercharger.....

Gadget

www.GadgetOnline.com

[cdssolara]

The the High Gear/Low RPM-Ping (HG/LR-Ping) is not a problem with the fuel mixture. It is an ignition timing problem. If you have your supercharger installed as per TRD's instructions you really should not have a problem because there is no boost below 3400 RPM.

If you modify the installation per the instructions that I will include in our upgrade kit you will have boost as soon as you mash the throttle at any RPM, the real benifit of a postitive displacement supercharger.

That is how TRD has addressed the HG/LR-Ping in the Camry, they just don't allow boost at low RPMs and that really sucks. With the boost now available we need to pull a few degrees of timing out to supress the HG/LR-Ping so you can enjoy ping free boosted torque that will bring a big smile to your face as it presses you into the seat like never before.

The Boost-A-Pump is a voltage amplifier not a voltage reducer like a resistor. You are not going to get the same benifit from just upgrading the wiring.

Kenne-Bell does not seem to be very interested in wholesaling the BAPs to us at a decent price. There is no way that thing should cost so much. We are going to make our own pump amplifiers, but it will take a while so our kits are going to use the Kenne-Bell unit until we get ours made and well tested.

We should have a kit price for the 99 very soon then you all can start having as much fun as Joe is.

Gadget

www.GadgetOnline.com

Gadget,

Are your trucks manual or automatic transmission? The EBC seems to have been a problem mostly for auto trannies in that it cuts boost in first gear. That has never been a problem for cars with manual transmissions. When my car had the stock pulley, I never noticed boost below 3k-3500 rpm. However, once I went to a 5.5 psi pulley, and later to a 7 psi pulley, it seems boost kicks in much sooner. Therefore, I wonder about the lack of boost below 3500 that you're talking about. Maybe it's just the difference between the supercharger you've been working with and the one on our cars?

I am very interested in your kit, and I give you a lot of credit for the research that you've done and for the fact that you're trying to expand to our platform. I've read through your website several times and have learned a lot from your experience. However, I think that it would be good for everyone here to see dyno charts (for our application) before they start committing to this product. Based on what I've heard so far, especially from JoeB, it seems that this kit can make a real difference. However, the same thing happened to some of us last year regarding lower compression heads. A few of us, myself included, bought the heads based on a couple of testimonials but without seeing dyno results. While the heads did have some benefit, I don't think they did what they were advertised to do, and I don't think my money was well spent. Based on that experience, I know I won't be buying anything else for this platform without seeing dyno results. I'm not being skeptical of your results, especially since I've read about your experiences. I'm simply playing devil's advocate.

[Yanks0114]

The main purpose of the EBC was to cut boost in between shifts to protect the auto tranny. Also it has boost cut after red line.

The lack of boost in first gear on an auto is argueable. I have boost with a properly hooked up EBC, while others do not.

[808Camry]

I agree with Yanks I get boost in first and it cuts between shifts and mines is properly hooked up.

[JoeB]

cdssolara, I intend to run it on the dyno AFTER I get the tranny upgraded at Level-10. I don't want to do any damage just for a dyno. I'm getting the tranny done the last 3 days of this year. I will try to get the dyno done as soon after as the shop will take me in. I'll post the results here. I don't know if the total hp will be that much more but I'm guessing that the curve will look different. Normal drivability has been improved dramatically. Now when I'm driving and kick the gas I feel an immediate surge. Before, it was kind of soft until it got up to about 3600 RPM then the supercharger kicked in and it would TAKE OFF. -JoeB

[cdssolara]

cdssolara, I intend to run it on the dyno AFTER I get the tranny upgraded at Level-10. I don't want to do any damage just for a dyno. I'm getting the tranny done the last 3 days of this year. I will try to get the dyno done as soon after as the shop will take me in. I'll post the results here. I don't know if the total hp will be that much more but I'm guessing that the curve will look different. Normal drivability has been improved dramatically. Now when I'm driving and kick the gas I feel an immediate surge. Before, it was kind of soft until it got up to about 3600 RPM then the supercharger kicked in and it would TAKE OFF. -JoeB

Sorry, Joe; I forgot that you told me you would be getting a dyno after your tranny upgrade. It will be interesting to see if the torque curve looks any different from your baseline run before the Gadget upgrades. I'll be very interested to see the results of the dyno. I'm still kind of curious about the below 3500 rpm thing, as it seems that I've been getting boost much sooner than that since I upgraded my pulley.