CP-E MAFci kit install

[StockSolara]

Yeah, cheap compared to buying the Injen Short Ram + the UFPD Extension + an SAFC or similar tuner + dyno time to tune it (since CP-E MAF Customizer comes pre-programmed for the Solara).

It's just a guess, but it would seem that in the end you might get similar results, with the exception of how the 3.5" pipe affects the equation, which is a big exception. With 3/4" of extra diameter for air flow, it's gulping huge amounts of air over the smaller pipe.

Yeah that is true it will take in a lot more air. . . One thing the Injen w/ CAE won't beat is that the beastly sound that you guys are saying about this intake. . . I would like to hear a sound clip from one of you guys. . . Glad you guys like it. . . I was suppose to get it but I turned it down because I have other plans for the Solara that this intake will not work with. . . So yeah maybe we can get a sound clip or something

[jhenty]

I think with basic fuel upgrades supercharged applications should be able to get a good balance. Keep in mind that a nice set of used toyota injectors with a higher flow and upgraded fuel pump are not that expensive, $150 or so. Im going to be running into this problem in a few months when i get my supercharger up and running so i'll fill you guys in.

[Astro]

Man, this sounds amazing. Well, if you're going to compare the Injen w/CAE and CP-E, why not do the Injen with the Supra MAF? That's my current setup, although my car isn't starting right now (I have no idea why ). But, it's going back to Under Pressure soon. I hope to get it tuned also, but I can't say how long it'll take. The main reason is that I'm having trouble finding anybody that can correctly tune the Solara (since I'm also a noob to this). Under Pressure never tuned with an OBDII, nor have they ever heard of doing it that way. It just sounds like the CP-E may be less of a headache to tune, but I really don't know. I'm guessing the fuel maps are for n/a, but what about if you're s/c with fuel mods? I guess you'll have to do some tuning, but would it be harder than tuning the AFC?

[trdkamuri51o]

also consider that this intake uses a fuel tuning map.. im trying to find out how tunable this is for our app...

there are those who feel this intake is over priced and that with an injen & safc you could acheive the same results... just chiming in to see what u guys think.

[2002greenhornet]

I see the point about lots of air and not enough fuel with the SC. If you're running stock injectors, they may not be big enough to squirt enough fuel, period. But with larger injectors and a higher-volume fuel pump, I can't see any reason that this couldn't be solved using the CP-E tunable MAF Customizer, using the supplied Solara fuel map program as a baseline, to create a perfect fuel map for the application.

Again, I'm a noob, so take everything I say with a grain of salt. I am not an engineer. But considering that the CP-E MAF Customizer works by manipulating what voltage output information the factory ECU gets from the MAF sensor, you theoretically should be able to tune for any modification that depends on those readings, especially at high engine output. You can tell the ECU whatever you want to about the airflow vs. other engine conditions like RPM, etc.

I really suggest that you guys with superchargers call CP-E to discuss it. If the theory above is correct, this MAF Customizer could be an answer to a lot of fuel mixture tuning questions, provided you know what you're doing.

[2002greenhornet]

there are those who feel this intake is over priced and that with an injen & safc you could acheive the same results...

This may be true and may be false. The difference as I see it is that, 1) the intake is 3/4" larger diameter and sucks a LOT more air, 2) it has a heat shield, the effect of which may or may not be material, and 3) the CP-E comes with a 30 x 30 cell fuel map preprogrammed specifically for the Solara V6 application--with the setup you're talking about, you have to tune it yourself. All things being even (except for the diameter of the pipe!) the CP-E intake seems more than reasonable.

Injen Short Ram - $200?
SAFC-II - $300?
Dyno time with a professional - $100+?
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CP-E with tunable MAF Customizer - $600

[trdkamuri51o]

and im not disagreeing with you.. just pointed out what some people feel.. im all for cp-e thats whats going on my se-r once the maps are verified..

[2002greenhornet]

and im not disagreeing with you.. just pointed out what some people feel.. im all for cp-e thats whats going on my se-r once the maps are verified..

Didn't mean to sound like I was yellin' at you. I was just saying what I think!

[dominoSLEV6]

1) the intake is 3/4" larger diameter and sucks a LOT more air

Keep in mind, it is still going into a small opening witha bottleneck effect taking place. Not that it may not be more ideal for an intake, but there is that to consider. I've wondered how this thing would do with one of those big bore throttle bodies Gabe mentioned in athread before. Even though it squeezes through that smaller opening, with an SC and one of those throttle bodies, it may be a pretty nice setup.

As for CP-e vs. Injen, I think this intake is definitely more bang for your buck.

The Inejn plus extension shipped new, getting a pretty good deal is going to run you around 350. If you know what you're doing and can tune a fuel map with an air flow controller, you purchase one and then do that from there. If you don't you need to find someone who will actually tune your car for you and pay them a pretty penny to do it. It's like a while back when Dat asked about tuning his car with I/E and someone said, expect maybe 10 horses out of it. That's basicly the situation. The Injen has the potential to be a part that aids in the gaining of more power, but on it's own, does only a small amount.

Did any of that make sense?

Either way I'd spend 600 on this intake setup any day before spending 325-350 on the injen plus extension. While I never had the extension, I cna't imagine it does all THAT much, and can't really be far and away better other than in hot weather.

I'm with you all though, I'm no engineer, so this is all just my thoughts and nothing more.

-chris

[DatSRBoi]

Im exited to hear about this stuff.. So we're talking about how much Hp gains? Man Injen... Time to sell you.

[dominoSLEV6]

I'll be able to tell you the gains over stock right quick, all I gotta do is get to a dyno, hopefully get a camera too to get you all the sound clip.

On an interesting note, I sometimes watch a show called "tricked out" on the DIY network. It's got this guy who does mods to different cars, and shows you the befinits of DIY. Tonight they had two episodes on, and one just so happened to be an intake/ exhaust install on a Toyota Matrix. The intake was a simple short ram, and they also purchased wha tis more or less a piggy back ECU that they got pretuned for the mods they were putting on their matrix. Then they put on an exhaust system. The intake cost them 250, the ECU controller was 800!!! (mind you this thing was serious, whole new plugs going into the factory ECU and another harness for factory plugs to plug into instead) and I forget how much for the exhaust somethign like 350. So all that and they gained a peak difference of 6 or 7 horses and 5 or 6 ft lbs of tq with what they specially noted to be a better air/fuel curve and more power across the band. Considering the amount spent there, and the amount spent comparative with this system for our cars that yields basicly the same results in a proper ratio, I can say this is money damn well spent.

-chris

[xlxdarkmarinexlx]

I hope they can make one for the 2az gen 1.5, knowing that its not a big market tho i dont think they will

[808Camry]

A lot of pioneers for the 1mz SC platform have tried everything to get more power from our motors. After reading most of the discussions, bigger injectors, a bigger fuel pump, etc. will only go so far. Jim even found that the fuel lines from the tank to the injectors were restrictive so even if you do pump more gas through bigger injectors the lines are going to limit how much fuel you can get to the engine.

I'm sure it's do able but for most who are just basic SC with small mods like me, the CP-E intake looks promising but it just means more than just the $600 needs to be invested to get the most out of the intake. I would love to try it out but the potential probs I might face make it unreasonable at this time for my situation.

[Vampire]

I just checked out their web site. I tell you their stuff looks very interesting. Did you see the wideband O2 controller they are working on that they plan to interface with the tunable MAF for real time tuning? I will definitely be monitoring their stuff from now on. I am tired of grumbling to URD and Split Second about how "unfriendly" their FTC is.

[xSolarax]

yes this intake does suck in more air, and yes it does go into a bottle neck and in a way it contradicts the whole purpose of a big ass pipe but in a way it doesn't.... to effectively use this pipe you would have to bore the throttle body and also the (intake valves?) correct me if im wrong (im talking about the header like block where a supercharger would be) those would also have to be bored/ported... but this also goes for all intakes... bottom line is cp-e really has something going here and personally I would love for them to come out with more parts for the car such as a bigger throttle body, exhaust system, y-pipe, etc.... the thing is they need a market like all companies.

side note i was at their shop and they def have the equipment and knowledge to do these things.

side side note... one of the engineers up their created a system for a dyno that is more accurate than a dynojet system. I thought that was pretty crazy