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[Ragtop George]

OK, this is bugging me. Are you telling me that with an 01 Solara auto with the EBC wired up correctly, there is no boost at all in first gear? Like you can't tell you have a blower until you shift into second? That is so totally bizarre! Why would you even bother with the S/C? That makes no sense to me. The installation instructions with the EBC make it very clear, during the tesing part, that boost is only cut for 0.6 seconds during the 1-2 shift and at RPMs over 6150. Are you sure it is not some kind of installation problem?

George

[Flipside909]

OK, this is bugging me. Are you telling me that with an 01 Solara auto with the EBC wired up correctly, there is no boost at all in first gear? Like you can't tell you have a blower until you shift into second? That is so totally bizarre! Why would you even bother with the S/C? That makes no sense to me. The installation instructions with the EBC make it very clear, during the tesing part, that boost is only cut for 0.6 seconds during the 1-2 shift and at RPMs over 6150. Are you sure it is not some kind of installation problem?

George

That's correct. You will still hear the S/C wind up but there shouldn't be any boost in 1st if hooked up correctly. Doesnt matter if it's an 01, 00 or 99. TRD did several months of testing before releasing the S/C to it's final product. Their first prototypes were on 97 Camry LE V6 with Auto and Manual. The TRD S/C project launched in 1998 and wasn't released to the public til 2000 because of boost issues and tranny longevity issues. All of us who were already in this market waited forever for this (especially those on Camryman.org). Unless most people have the EBC wired up incorrectly or they revised something in the ECU of the 1MZ-FE in 02-03 models (which is unlikely), you shouldn't have boost in 1st.

[Missay]

[BTW, manual V6's are much more fun than boring automatics.

who cares, stick or auto.. a car is a car!!

this is my one little thing that really bothers me when people feel special cause they drive stick instead of an automatic...lol..wow..you get a whole fraction of a second faster!! oooooooo..heheh, i'm envious!

hey, for people like me who are always in bumper to bumper traffic, don't care what time it takes the car to make 1/4mi, and is perfectly content w/ the pickup the car has now...slev6 auto all the way!!

[Flipside909]

this is my one little thing that really bothers me when people feel special cause they drive stick instead of an automatic...lol..wow..you get a whole fraction of a second faster!! oooooooo..heheh, i'm envious!

Wrong! try 1 whole second!

hey, for people like me who are always in bumper to bumper traffic, don't care what time it takes the car to make 1/4mi, and is perfectly content w/ the pickup the car has now...slev6 auto all the way!!

I have my fair share of bumper to bumper traffic. I live in Southern California...come on now! I'm glad you are satisfied with your Solara, because i'm quite happy with mine. Along with the better gas mileage I get!

[droomyster]

better gas mileage relative to what?

[NASTY]

an automatic

[Blaze]

stick is more fun. u can always shift down and peel like a bat outa hell

[droomyster]

i guess i'll just assume you are assuming that if you had an automatic and a manual, and you drove them to the exact places at the exact time in the same weather and traffic conditions and drove the manual *perfectly*...

then maybe i'll give you that.

[Blaze]

give me that to wat? heh to gas milege or 1 sec faster

[droomyster]

the gas mileage

[Blaze]

i think it has to do w/ like idling in gear or something how the automatic senses when to change gear even if ur not pressing the pedal or something? like if u had it in 4th gear and idling to like 2000rpm you can still stay at 4th and not hafta drop into 3rd? sorry im a lil out of it today, if im not makin any sense

[Ragtop George]

Well, then, something has changed for 02. I was very careful hooking up the EBC, and since it was cutting boost during the shift, and at high RPM, I know it was working. So either the automatic has been beefed and the ECU signals are different, or the EBC has been changed. It would be interesting (at least for me) if someone with the lack of boost actually hooked a test light to the red/yellow wire (the one that controls the VSV) and watched to see what the EBC was doing as a function of what gear you are in.

I double checked the scanned EBC installation instructions from Jason Gibson's web site, they are the same as mine. In testing, it specifically says that the bypass actuator is activated for 0.6 seconds during the 1-2 shift. If there was no boost in first, this would not make any sense.

There are two ways that boost is controlled, one is from the EBC via the VSV which gets its vacuum from the vacuum resevoir, and the other from the other side of the VSV which is just normal intake vacuum, derived from between the throttle body and the blower inlet. The normal vacuum side bypasses the blower during light throttle so that fuel economy is not affected. If for some reason the normal vacuum was not dropping off during first gear, that could be the problem. That is where the test light on the EBC control wire would tell you.

Did anyone ever talk to somebody at TRD to confirm the first gear boost issue?

George

[Flipside909]

Well, then, something has changed for 02. I was very careful hooking up the EBC, and since it was cutting boost during the shift, and at high RPM, I know it was working. So either the automatic has been beefed and the ECU signals are different, or the EBC has been changed. It would be interesting (at least for me) if someone with the lack of boost actually hooked a test light to the red/yellow wire (the one that controls the VSV) and watched to see what the EBC was doing as a function of what gear you are in.

I double checked the scanned EBC installation instructions from Jason Gibson's web site, they are the same as mine. In testing, it specifically says that the bypass actuator is activated for 0.6 seconds during the 1-2 shift. If there was no boost in first, this would not make any sense.

There are two ways that boost is controlled, one is from the EBC via the VSV which gets its vacuum from the vacuum resevoir, and the other from the other side of the VSV which is just normal intake vacuum, derived from between the throttle body and the blower inlet. The normal vacuum side bypasses the blower during light throttle so that fuel economy is not affected. If for some reason the normal vacuum was not dropping off during first gear, that could be the problem. That is where the test light on the EBC control wire would tell you.

Did anyone ever talk to somebody at TRD to confirm the first gear boost issue?

George

The only other person I know who has installed the S/C on their 2002 SE V6 auto is my friend. I'll ask him what he's experienced. Many people have called TRD to confirm first gear boost. It's been asked several times since it first came out in 2000. I take it you have a boost guage?

[Missay]

this is my one little thing that really bothers me when people feel special cause they drive stick instead of an automatic...lol..wow..you get a whole fraction of a second faster!! oooooooo..heheh, i'm envious!

Wrong! try 1 whole second!

lol...what a pity..my poor old auto..lol..can't believe i'm missing out~~ heheh

[Ragtop George]

No, I don't have a boost gauge, but it is extremly obvious that I have boost in first gear by how the car pulls.

What was TRD telling people when they contacted them?

George