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300 from 3.0

Re: 300 from 3.0

Postby crispone » Wed Aug 31, 2011 3:00 pm

Technically, if you can bring your parasitic losses down to a minimum and maximize on the available volumetric efficiencies of flow beyond the over-simplified basics and delve deep into the quadratic matrices of poly-nodal velociatomizers of surface acceleration dynamics under compoundedly increasing compression physics... you can combine the joys of pronounced forward vector while shedding the shackles of constriction at the performance parabola.


Other than that, no.








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Re: 300 from 3.0

Postby parkc96 » Wed Aug 31, 2011 7:11 pm

crispone wrote:Technically, if you can bring your parasitic losses down to a minimum and maximize on the available volumetric efficiencies of flow beyond the over-simplified basics and delve deep into the quadratic matrices of poly-nodal velociatomizers of surface acceleration dynamics under compoundedly increasing compression physics... you can combine the joys of pronounced forward vector while shedding the shackles of constriction at the performance parabola.


Other than that, no.








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Re: 300 from 3.0

Postby crispone » Wed Aug 31, 2011 8:04 pm

parkc96 wrote:
crispone wrote:Technically, if you can bring your parasitic losses down to a minimum and maximize on the available volumetric efficiencies of flow beyond the over-simplified basics and delve deep into the quadratic matrices of poly-nodal velociatomizers of surface acceleration dynamics under compoundedly increasing compression physics... you can combine the joys of pronounced forward vector while shedding the shackles of constriction at the performance parabola.


Other than that, no.








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Re: 300 from 3.0

Postby Gregtrd » Wed Aug 31, 2011 9:03 pm

If you're worried about gas money I don't think you're ready for 300whp.
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Re: 300 from 3.0

Postby Gregtrd » Wed Aug 31, 2011 9:03 pm

If you're worried about gas money I don't think you're ready for 300whp.
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Re: 300 from 3.0

Postby 1gSE » Wed Aug 31, 2011 9:21 pm

Gregtrd wrote:If you're worried about gas money I don't think you're ready for 300whp.


^^^ agreed. I went on a 230ish mile road trip last week and burned through an entire tank of gas. A few weeks ago I did that same trip and used about half. This time there was a lot more wide open throttle, and I got it running richer at lower boost and lower rpm (closed loop tuning) so the car cruises at 80+ in 5th with an 11-12 afr. I didn't realize this until I was too far from home to turn around and grab my laptop. But now I have another map to take care of that.

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Re: 300 from 3.0

Postby srkovarik6 » Wed Aug 31, 2011 10:42 pm

Thanks 1g and Greg - I'm hoping you guys that have been doing this for a while can maybe temper my expectations. What I'm getting at is... if I wanted to get 15 mpg all the time I might as well sell the car and drive my Tacoma. What's a reasonable expectation (power-wise) then for averaging in the low to mid-20's with moderate mostly highway driving (assuming I can keep my foot out of the gas 90% f the time)? I do drive for the fun of it and I'm not afraid to head to the station, but I'd like to have at least a decent mileage commuter when I'm not out on the country roads or ripping off at a green light.
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Re: 300 from 3.0

Postby albertrd » Wed Aug 31, 2011 10:44 pm

If you're trying to run 87 octane on a s/c solara with all that detenaton might as well go with a turbo diesel swap they love detention :sweet: BTW where is festus when you need him :think: :think: :think: :think:
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Re: 300 from 3.0

Postby Gregtrd » Wed Aug 31, 2011 10:58 pm

My camry gets great gas mile, actually its better then a stock camry, even when I get on it. compare to my 2004 sienna van the camry gets me further with a quarter tank.
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Re: 300 from 3.0

Postby TRD_Sloara » Wed Aug 31, 2011 11:56 pm

I've been getting 20/30 all stock besides TRD blower. Then again I'm lowered which helps highway MPG. I haven't even had a clean highway trip yet, the only full highway tank I've done involved lots of sitting at 2-3 red lights at the same intersection in the suburbs of Chicago during rush hour.

Is it true that our cars will get better city mileage if you hit low boost at partial throttle instead of pussy footing it to avoid any boost?
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Re: 300 from 3.0

Postby 1gSE » Thu Sep 01, 2011 1:02 am

I can't give an estimate on what my cars gas mileage should be. There isn't a single road on this island where you can have a sustained cruising speed where the engine is most efficient. Even the national "highway" doesnt go in a straight line for more than a few miles....maybe thats why diesels are so popular in Europe.I spend most of my time in 3rd gear and sometimes 4th. I went through one tank short shifting, keeping the rpm low and not going into boost...i got about 10 more miles than usual and I was still below 300 miles/tank. Thats one reason I cant wait to leave this place...but back on topic
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Re: 300 from 3.0

Postby crispone » Thu Sep 01, 2011 4:11 am

I'm seeing a co-mingling of two different topics here. Low octane fuel and absolute mileage, both as related to a high performance (boosted) application.


FIRST:

Low octane. Bad idea if you are running a boosted setup. Period. Run higher octane fuel to account for the increased compression to prevent detonation. This is so fundamental AND NECESSARY that the dollar/penny difference between 87 and 91~93 octane (depending on what you have in your area) should have a common and consistent response from any and ALL of us who are giving counsel relative fuel choice.

SECOND:

Mileage optimization. Basically speaking, the fact that a vehicle is boosted in and of itself DOESN'T necessarily make the vehicle "inefficient", or subject to certain poor mileage. The OPPOSITE can also be true, depending on how EFFICIENT your setup is + how you are driving your vehicle. A boosted vehicle usually has a lower compression UNTIL the boost is being generated. At the low compression driving end of things, it is perfectly possible that your mods and flow/combustion efficiency is HIGHER than a normally aspirated vehicle being driven the same way. EVEN under low or moderate loading and boosting you may STILL get better mileage than you would in a normally aspirated application. It's about HOW WELL your vehicle combustion is occurring for any given setup.


Case in point: My Supra has run it's BEST MILEAGE at points in it's life where I was at HIGHER BOOST and POWER level capable setup, but due to all the mods which contributed to efficiency of flow and reduction of power conversion losses, I achieved 27.5 mpg on a long, full tank drive on the highway SPECIFICALLY targeting mileage as my objective. That same setup UNDER HARD, BOOSTED DRIVING would quickly drop down to around 20mpg or even below that mark. STILL not bad for a 300+ hp car. (NOTE: The Supra NEVER achieved 27.5mpg even as a STOCK vehicle... so although I had INCREASED horsepower substantially from about 230 to 300+, I had BETTER mileage POTENTIAL, just NOT when I drove it FOR the power... but it was still pretty efficient overall.)

At the end of the day, it IS possible to have BOTH power and efficiency (mileage) but NOT necessarily AT THE SAME TIME. Sure, there may be RELATIVE EFFICIENCY throughout the performance envelope, but when HIGH POWER OUTPUT is the primary objective, you are ALWAYS going to have to accept a reduction in absolute mileage.


It's all about how effectively your vehicle is setup and converts the fuel to propulsion energy. The key is, are you driving with a gentle foot or a heavy foot???

If you are STILL getting poor mileage when driving relatively "gently" and/or on open, highway driving with steady state smooth cruising, then your vehicle is inherently inefficient. That's a whole different issue from what we are discussing altogether.


All that having been said, if you are looking for POWER, then overall, you will HAVE to accept the trade-off of mileage for that extra "ooomph"!



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Re: 300 from 3.0

Postby ToyoSolV6 » Thu Sep 01, 2011 4:55 pm

yeah 91+ octane is required when your s/c'd.. and gas mileage prob wont be the same
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Re: 300 from 3.0

Postby up2thedown » Thu Sep 01, 2011 11:07 pm

u cant get 300whp with 91 octane plane & simple, youll have to run 94 octane & a meth injection system, & i get 30mpg highway & about 20+ city depending how much i get on it, if u want to run reg gas then just drive a yugo, if u want fast then its gonna cost, & i dont care what performance car u buy they all cost $ to run & maintain period........
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Re: 300 from 3.0

Postby trd4life » Fri Sep 02, 2011 7:16 am

lets lockup this thread i think we are wasting our time on this one.
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