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THIS PRODUCT IS A MUST LOOK FOR FORCED INDUCTED CARS

THIS PRODUCT IS A MUST LOOK FOR FORCED INDUCTED CARS

Postby gman » Sat Oct 22, 2005 5:04 pm

BUMP****

Ok all you supercharged guys. As of Monday the 24th the adjustable closed loop AFR unit is available. This will add all kinds of quick early power to your daily drive. Here is the url link. Worth the time, effort and price!!!!

http://www.urdusa.com/product_info.php? ... 1230100028
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Re: THIS PRODUCT IS A MUST LOOK FOR FORCED INDUCTED CARS

Postby Paladin06Greg » Sat Oct 22, 2005 7:22 pm

What a shame it will not work for my application.

Camry/Solara 1997-2002 California emissions only.
Camry/Solara 2003+ All engines

I'm not included in this group.

Maybe later..

gman wrote:BUMP****

Ok all you supercharged guys. As of Monday the 24th the adjustable closed loop AFR unit is available. This will add all kinds of quick early power to your daily drive. Here is the url link. Worth the time, effort and price!!!!

http://www.urdusa.com/product_info.php? ... 1230100028
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Postby esculatus » Mon Oct 24, 2005 12:45 am

hmm... I wonder if it's easy to install. It looks reasonable. I noticed the high exhaust temperature is eaven affecting my rear valence bodykit.
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Postby CASTRO » Mon Oct 24, 2005 1:22 am

hmmm, how does this work exactly? do you HAVE to tune it with a laptop just like the SAFC2 or does it self learn/fix for the boost we now get from the s/c? I'm interested but not willing to try it out esp since I have an older 97 1MZ that has only 4 connectors on the ECU and different from the rest of the solara 5 port ECUs. BTW, I have a CA edition so it might work. Any thoughts?
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Postby CASTRO » Mon Oct 24, 2005 1:26 am

one more question... To be safe while the motor is boosting would getting this thing instead be a good idea?

Split Second ESC1 EGO Signal Conditioner

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Postby SC V6 » Mon Oct 24, 2005 5:56 am

this is only for people w\ the Air Fuel Sensor, not o2 sensors...

im pretty sure that setup is plugged into the air fuel sensor and it modifies the signal to the ECU so the ecu adjusts accordingly... but im not positive
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Re: THIS PRODUCT IS A MUST LOOK FOR FORCED INDUCTED CARS

Postby Vampire » Mon Oct 24, 2005 8:38 pm

From my experience working with Gadget he will not list a vehicle unless he is 100% sure about it. I see no reason why it wont work on any Gen 4/4.5 Camry or Gen1/1.5 Solara reagardless of tranny as long as it uses the Af ratio sensor. I need to shoot him an email. What I'd really like to do is just get SS to make me an FTC-017 with data acquisition for my wide band and this board (adjustable) pre-installed. Currently, Gadget said if it's built in it would be a set map. Let you know unless someone else posts.

Paladin06Greg wrote:What a shame it will not work for my application.

Camry/Solara 1997-2002 California emissions only.
Camry/Solara 2003+ All engines

I'm not included in this group.

Maybe later..

gman wrote:BUMP****

Ok all you supercharged guys. As of Monday the 24th the adjustable closed loop AFR unit is available. This will add all kinds of quick early power to your daily drive. Here is the url link. Worth the time, effort and price!!!!

http://www.urdusa.com/product_info.php? ... 1230100028
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Postby SC V6 » Tue Oct 25, 2005 6:48 am

thats the thing.. only Cali spec 99-03 have air fuel sensors... while after 04 they all do... 99-03 a majority have o2 sensors
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Postby Vampire » Tue Oct 25, 2005 3:30 pm

That's what I'm trying to say. My Solara has the A/F ratio sensor not a regular O2 sensor. In fact my wife's 2000 Camry also has the A/F ratio sensor. When I have time I need to research part numbers or wait till Gadget gets back to me.

SC V6 wrote:thats the thing.. only Cali spec 99-03 have air fuel sensors... while after 04 they all do... 99-03 a majority have o2 sensors
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Postby Vampire » Tue Oct 25, 2005 10:17 pm

Well, exchanged a few emails with Gadget and it was determined I DO NOT have an A/F ratio sensor. My mistake and I apologize for any confusion. He did say that we can use the ESC1, of which he has a few in stock.

Vampire wrote:That's what I'm trying to say. My Solara has the A/F ratio sensor not a regular O2 sensor. In fact my wife's 2000 Camry also has the A/F ratio sensor. When I have time I need to research part numbers or wait till Gadget gets back to me.

SC V6 wrote:thats the thing.. only Cali spec 99-03 have air fuel sensors... while after 04 they all do... 99-03 a majority have o2 sensors
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Postby CASTRO » Tue Oct 25, 2005 11:24 pm

^
hey vampire, how would the ESC1 application work for our cars? Would it be a plug and play install like the the EBC or does it have to be tuned? and if so, is it ready out of the box for a laptop or would a A/F wideband be needed?
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Postby Vampire » Tue Oct 25, 2005 11:44 pm

Split Second site is unavailable now. It's been so long since I read the info I forgot it. This is what I remember:

1. It is not PnP. It must be wired in with a vacuum/boost source (can be teed off boost gauge tube or FTC MAP tube). Not really difficult. If you installed an FTC or Apexi, you should be able to do it no sweat.

2. You will need to do some minor tuning but only in the closed loop boost area of the map. All you're adjusting is how much you want to richen the mixture.

3. You do need a wideband or else you couldn't tell how much you're richening the mixture.

4. My understanding is that you tune it through your fuel calibrator (FTC uses laptop). I don't know if it will work with other fuel calibrators.

I will try to post much more complete and accurate info when I get it from Gadget or Split Second. I have a bunch of questions that I think a few of us would like to know. I will say that the closed loop boost area of the fuel map has always been a disapointment to me. Lack of power and higher EGT. Every comment I've read about this has been positive. I will definitely be doing this but I just need to decide how I want to implement it. Get another FTC with ESC and data acquisition board or get the separate ESC1.

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hey vampire, how would the ESC1 application work for our cars? Would it be a plug and play install like the the EBC or does it have to be tuned? and if so, is it ready out of the box for a laptop or would a A/F wideband be needed?
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Postby CASTRO » Wed Oct 26, 2005 12:08 am

ah thanks for all the info. Im just waiting until you get to try this out and have positive results.
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Postby gman » Wed Oct 26, 2005 9:06 am

Spoke with Brian at URD- they are already back ordered by at least a week, they sold out quickly. This box is popular because it is not car specific- basicly any forced inducted vehicle with afrs rather than O2s. The box is small and it is wired right into the ecu like the SS or Apexi would. The software allows you to program the afr and yes the only way to know this is to have the wideband O2 to read what you have programmed. So for those that don't have the wbo2 it would be a little risky or not real accurate to install this product with a base map loaded by Gadget. This product will really help drivability. Although 3/4 and full throttles are fun, there are many times when 1/4 - 1/2 throttle will send boost up and leave you running lean and not responsive for a number of seconds- many many times during your commute. Too bad this only works for the afr cars- I am glad mine is now. BTW Sema is next week so don't expect fast responses and quick delivery for the next few weeks. Damn car nuts.
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Postby gman » Wed Oct 26, 2005 1:35 pm

Here is what Gadget says. Hope this helps fellas...

First, the AFR Sensor Signal Calibrator only works on vehicles with the
new style Air/Fuel Ratio (wideband) sensors. It will not work on
vehicles with the old style O2 sensors in the front position, forward
of the cat(s).

The AFR Sensor Signal Calibrator is used to calibrate the signal from
the AFR sensor and in doing so you can change the mixture that the ECU
thinks is 14.7:1.

We use the R4 Tuning Software to program the box. Map values of 10 are
neutral and values higher then 10 lean the mix, and values of less then
10 richen the mix.

Each vehicle type will require very differnet numbers to obtain the same
mix. For example the 5vz requires a number of 6 to give you 12.0:1
while the newer 1gr-fe requires a 9.6. We ship the boxes with a
preloaded map for use with the supercharged 5vz with our fuel kit.
Other vehicles or combinations may need adjustment to the map table to
give the result you want.

The tuning proceedure is to install the rest of your fuel system, like
one of our complete kits and get the tune in the ball park with the
fuel trims at least close to being cancled in CLOSED LOOP to where you
want the mix in OPEN LOOP. Now install the AFR Calibrator box.

Use the AFR Sensor Calibrator to adjust the mixture to where you want it
in CLOSED LOOP while in boost. Use the wideband display unit for this.
Once you are satisfied that you have it where you want the mix in CLOSED
LOOP, then go back to your MAF Sensor Calibrator and retune it, again
cancelling fuel trims in closed loop. You will find that your fuel
trims are now very postive in the range that the AFR Sensor Calibrator
is calibrating the signal from the AFR sensors. Once you have those
trims cancelled out, then retune OPEN LOOP.

You will most likely find that your OPEN LOOP will need slight
adjustment because CLOSED LOOP fuel trims do have some affect on OPEN
LOOP.

Remember that what ever values you input into the map table do not take
affect until you write them to the box. You will find that setting the
mix in CLOSED LOOP with the AFR Calibrator is very simple and can be
done very quickly. If you don't have this thing dialed in in less then
20 minutes you are doing something very wrong.

The nice thing is that this thing and the results you get are very
precise and they are very repeatable. You will find that the mix is
dead on all the time just like you set it and does not vary a little
like the MAF calibrators will.

Remember this is for CLOSED LOOP tuning. Many people have some
impression that it does both CLOSED and OPEN LOOP. It only does CLOSED
LOOP. It is best used in conjunction with a MAF Sensor Calibrator like
our PSC units or FTC units.

If you have any questions, email URD at info@URDUSA.com.

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