Supra engine in Gen1 Solara?

[Mandarinsolara]

$500 crx
$250 D16y8
$800 t3/t4 turbo kit with large front mount
$250 Hondata S200
$80 racing head gasket
$50 missing link

well theres your mid 13 second crx for under $2k

but Chris i was more or less showing the enormous difference in money when talking performance.

if you want to get all technical about adding another $5k to make it BPU++. that same $5k could make that crx VERY boost happy. stroked, bored, forged internal, ls/vtec style. upwards of 600fwhp where your supra is still choking and half a ton heavier

wow didnt know in FL things are so cheap over there..... in southern california a crx starts at 2g to 5g. those 800 kits are pos btw, they are all made in china.

any solara with supra motor===> not worth it. To have a build up 3SGTE is a more realistic goal. i believe many supra in the high end official races use 3SGTE instead of 2jzgte.

Better:

Used 92 Civic CX shell = $1500

JDM H22A and trans + shipping, extra components = $3000
Used Forged wheels and street slicks = $1500

Suspension = $1000

Grand Total = $7000

And if you wanna get "crazy", add:

Bride seats = $2000
CF hood = $500

4 piece chassis support (strut bars etc) = $500

All this under $10,000

It will run 12's with out boost.

Ad a couple more grand and boost it, juice it, intercool it, stereo, etc etc etc all under $15,000

Also, these are the best components. You could purchase with a budget and keep it well under $10k and still have a H22A Civic EG


As far as a 2jz motor in a solara, you'll need an extreamly experienced team and a butt load of sponsership.

the H22 is garbage on boost, its just not desgined to function with as well as a B or K series. there is not as good of support behind the H series either

yea...its 195hp, but it wont have near the rev of a B series

plus, look at the price difference of my cheap buildup compared to your expensive one, and you still wont get that much more for your money

[Mandarinsolara]

The 2JZ-GTE is a pig. That is one of the biggest complaints I read about the Supra i.e. the weight. Whereas the Pikes Peak Celica, HKS Celica and Top Secret Supra all feel that the 3S-GTE is the most efficient (weight vs. power) engine available. Plus the swap has been done for our cars so nobody is forging the way. I think the only variable is someone building it up and making our cars beasts. Jon.

i highly disagree with you
you wont find 750whp pump gas daily driven 3s-gte's
but we all know that realistically a built 2jz-gte is going to work the same build 3s-gte. 1400whp and ish

The reason that you can have 750whp 3sgte because of high boost. so if you dont let your boost go high, you are ok to use low octane. even those crazy power supra they will not drive on the street with high boost either unless they have race fuel. the real reason that you never seen a 750whp 3sgte mr2 on the street because mr2 is too light, it will make it not driveable. my bro has a friend who has a 900hp supra, he was complaint that it is so hard to drive now.

however, for performance purpose, 3SGTE is more favorable. not only light weight, but also the over all deign such as the stroke size


another interesting mod is drop a SR20DET inside a solara. SR20DET has FWD version which are aviliable in japan

eh i dunno, you never should run over 20 pounds on anything using pump gas. and a 2jz vs. a 3s at 20 pounds would be no contest. 2jz ownage

[Sol-Toy]

IMO, Honda and Toyota are the same as far as quality. However, they approach driving dynamics in a completely different manner. Toyotas are quiet and floaty, and Hondas make more engine noise (the good kind) and "feel" more connected. I'm comparing Camry to Accord, Corolla to Civic, etc. I think the REAL reason Hondas became so popular in the 90's is because the Hondas of that time were really good at faking performance. My other car is a Integra. Yup, my Solara smokes it in a straight line, but the Integra is much more fun to dart thru traffic in. Anyway, I own both, and the experience is totally different between the Honda and Toyota. I feel my Integra is a real survivor, extremely reliable (it's been stolen, totalled and stripped) but after piecing her back together, I trust it to take me anywhere. I also have total faith my Toyota will be a good car.

Anyway, back to the subject. Anyone who said to just buy a Supra, I agree 100%.

However, a thought occured to me the other day to put a twist on this...why not a All-Trac Solara conversion?? It's more feasible than a Supra-Solara seeing as how 2 generations before the Camry was available as a All Trac, these Camrys still share alot with those old Camrys, and I am sure some kind of hi-power 'Yota motor would bolt up to that drivetrain (or maybe a Celica All-Trac drivetrain??)

Our philosophy and situations are oddly the same. Instead of a stripped teg, I had my civic stripped and it took me 2 more years till I ran it over a 4 in high medium island, then another 2 years till it rattled itself apart (thanks to the accident)

Honda's rev high, have short bursts of intense torque and hp, ride extreamly rough and in some cases uncomfortably but handle tight, can take a beating, and still drive you to work day after day. American Toyotas are soft, comfy, and consistent in power. Our toyota's are American influenced vehicles with consistent power and comfort, with japanese reliability. Our Solara's are just an american influenced product that has been engineered by the best of japaneese engineers. It's statistics, testing, experimenting, and US marketing that has made toyota such a strong brand that dominates the western hemisphere. Honda has used it's japanees influenced marketing and engineering to create a vehicle that surpasses the japanees market that ends up being very popular in the US.

[Sol-Toy]

the H22 is garbage on boost, its just not desgined to function with as well as a B or K series. there is not as good of support behind the H series either

yea...its 195hp, but it wont have near the rev of a B series

plus, look at the price difference of my cheap buildup compared to your expensive one, and you still wont get that much more for your money

garbage on boost? are you kidding me? it can take massive shots of juice without even messing with the motor! and as far as the rev of a B series, it doesn't need it. It has the torque to dominate a high reving b in the straight line. If your talkin daily driver, its smarter to get a B. The H22 swap is way to heavy of a motor to squeeze into a civic if you expect to corner a hairpin at 40 or 50mph. But in a straight line, a B has no chance. And a K, your gonna pay up the a$$ to fit that in a cheap little civic. At least the H drops right in with a bit of modifying. With a K, your gonna end up re-organizing the entire firewall.

Then again, your price range is much cheaper. It's only opinion and budget I guess. And you can find POS eg with a good frame and do the same thing. If your on a teeny budget, your route is the smartest and you can still auto X.

[Turbosolara]

The 2JZ-GTE is a pig. That is one of the biggest complaints I read about the Supra i.e. the weight. Whereas the Pikes Peak Celica, HKS Celica and Top Secret Supra all feel that the 3S-GTE is the most efficient (weight vs. power) engine available. Plus the swap has been done for our cars so nobody is forging the way. I think the only variable is someone building it up and making our cars beasts. Jon.

i highly disagree with you
you wont find 750whp pump gas daily driven 3s-gte's
but we all know that realistically a built 2jz-gte is going to work the same build 3s-gte. 1400whp and ish

The reason that you can have 750whp 3sgte because of high boost. so if you dont let your boost go high, you are ok to use low octane. even those crazy power supra they will not drive on the street with high boost either unless they have race fuel. the real reason that you never seen a 750whp 3sgte mr2 on the street because mr2 is too light, it will make it not driveable. my bro has a friend who has a 900hp supra, he was complaint that it is so hard to drive now.

however, for performance purpose, 3SGTE is more favorable. not only light weight, but also the over all deign such as the stroke size


another interesting mod is drop a SR20DET inside a solara. SR20DET has FWD version which are aviliable in japan

eh i dunno, you never should run over 20 pounds on anything using pump gas. and a 2jz vs. a 3s at 20 pounds would be no contest. 2jz ownage

my point is that eventho you can run 30 psi to get a mad dyno sheet,but you can just tune it to run low boost in order to drive on the street. so it doesnt matter