cp-e Releases 17wHP for Gen1!

[JMSinMaryland]

Just updated years and cars that this would be applicable on. Jon.

[Down2TheC]

Sorry guys... didn't mean to send you to sticker shock without a warning. The Gen 2 guys and I have already been through that chat and I forgot to bring you up to speed.

The price is higher than slapping a <3" POS pipe on because it's not just the pipe. The ci in MAF-ci is the "customizer" as they call it. Basically an AFC that has a map flashed in to tune the stock Solara V6 to take the 3.5" pipe and optimize the mixture for power without a CEL. The stock MAF stays and moves to the bigger pipe. But with the bigger pipe it sees lower velocity and the engine gets less resistance sucking air. (see the pics on the site and this post ==> http://www.solaraguy.org/viewtopic.php?t=20733) Also, the pipe itself is better quality. They outsource only the mandril bending and the powdercoating. Everything else is in shop and high quality. Also, for the money, the sound of the 3.5" pipe is incredible. Way better than a muffler that costs about the same. So if you're starting from stock it's a sweet choice.

I'm not sure if "free breathing" is better or worse than "choked breathing with cold air". So if you have the CAI rigged, there's no evidence what your boost would be. Since they had to do a heat shield anyway, maybe they'd go the extra step if enough folks ask. They design and machine everything in house so point them to some existing designs for ideas.

If anyone that has an intake buys this, please dyno or go to the track before and after install and share the results. (I did.)

So if you're stock, I'd highly recommend this if you can afford it. If you have an intake already, I'd prolly wait for reactions and then consider upgrading. That old Injen will sell on ebay. Sorry for the novel.

[returnofthedack]

just get the tunable MAF if you have a s/c , problem solved.

[StockSolara]

just get the tunable MAF if you have a s/c , problem solved.

finally some one is thinker. . . hahaha I was just sitting here waiting for someone to realize that

[sydemoid]

looking around...

slowly creeps in....

Ok I like this concept, and the adjustable MAF flasher is a nice idea, Roar inc. also has and intake for our cars, it costs about the same....

To be honest, I think an Injen setup with a Supra MAF would probably net you cloe to the same power gains they claim.
Bigger pipe= less restrictive air flow, which could lead to inaccurate MAF readings to our ECU, and therefore a check engine light. An adjustable MAF, or an MAF pre-tuned to read the new airflow properly along with an injector upgrade, would seriously give us a nice gain. Add an exhaust... and you know the deal.

yeah yeah.... Im a newbie.... but im a damn Geek... this brain is always on people!

-Dio

[Down2TheC]

I don't know S/C yet (thanks for the Gen 2 love TRD!) Would an S/C benefit at all from a bigger pipe? Tunable MAF sounds nice but I don't have the resources to tune it myself. That's the same as an AFC right?

P.S. Yes, if you put a 3.5" pipe on your car and didn't adjust the MAF signal, you'd run so lean you'd fry. That's why all "pipe only" intakes have to stay as small as the original airbox flow to prevent a CEL.

[StockSolara]

I don't know S/C yet (thanks for the Gen 2 love TRD!) Would an S/C benefit at all from a bigger pipe? Tunable MAF sounds nice but I don't have the resources to tune it myself. That's the same as an AFC right?

Basically its almost like a piggy back. . . Would the S/C benefit?. . . I don't see why not. . . if you think about it no matter how big that pipe is. . . it still have to squeeze into that little 2.75 inch throttle body. . . unless some one can make a bigger intake manifold w/ a 3.5 inch or atleast 3 inch throttle body than this will work even better. . . Basically the same concept as upgrading cat-back w/o the headers. . . just won't be that effective. . . Yes 17 fwhp does seem like an awesome number. . . but overall I think this intake is quite cheap for what it does for you. . . Unless your like me and willing to do the tuning on your own. . . than get this intake

[Grazi07]

Maybe I'm out of the loop on this, but will the supra MAF fit the solara? From what I've seen, they're shaped differently. Are the plugs the same?

[CASTRO]

damn, i would be interested in this, but would want it to be a CAI or at least w/o the heatshield so i can still use the UPFD pipe. Ill get one pending dynos charts etc. The price is steep for the N/A but 17wHP is amazing considering it kills the injen sri. Hopefully the tuning for a stock 4psi would yield similar or better gains.

::EDIT::

Im actually only interested in the afc unit at this point since I allready have the injen cai setup. If this unit can modify air signals for a fatter pipe, would it by chance help out to richen the mixture if the car were s/c? Im just asking because I dont want to spend the time and money to buy extra hardware to be able to tune as well as monitor fuel trims etc. I'd rather buy a preprogrammed afc unit for an almost plug and play unit. URD does have that box they sell, but its not preprogrammed.

[Down2TheC]

Hmmm... where to start... Dyno charts are posted on their website. Links to torque and HP charts are on the Solara page.

The AFC is a "Single tune" AFC if I may make up terms... There is a programmable model that will allow you create maps on our laptop. Check the site for info. But they sell the preprogrammed chips for cars that they have had in their shop. They spent a week finding every last horse for the Gen 2. So no plug n' play solution unless you're on a 3.5" pipe w/ no s/c. (at the moment.) So SplitSecond or URD seems to fit your need. But you'll still have to pay a shop to tune it for you.

For the rest of y'all, the "AFC"/"Customizer" is a little black box that tucks in next to the ECU. No knobs or anything, you never see it.

[i20solara02i]

i had a question. how come the dyno number are so low? was this dyno on an i4 or v6? auto or manual?

[CASTRO]

^ sadly our cars dont output the rated hp from the crank, which is 200.

[i20solara02i]

well i kno that but my i4 is running close the same hp.

[Down2TheC]

Note for the tuners... This is the tunable version of the customizer. I think you can add $99 to any kit and get this (or get this alonefor $339).
http://www.cp-e.com/2005.html
Cool software and should be pairable with a wideband controller they are working on with Bosch. Best accuracy for the price I'm told but can't say I know that stuff.
http://www.cp-e.com/2012.html

For the non-tuners that don't understand why they should go beyond an simple SRI like Injen, freeing up the air is step one... that makes some power. The tuning of the chip makes plenty more. No tuning and you're running fat (less power and mileage). With tuning you're lean and efficient. Mazda w/ a Injen SRI gets 18whp just by adding their chip to the mix. (they sell a tuned box for them. Apparently Mazda stock tuning sucks worse than Toyota so they have more power to gain.) I picked up 2mpg w/ my gen 2. you'll prolly get more since you got more power.

[SleeperSolara]

Yeah i was suprised about the gain through out the power band.
Unlike some intakes the power is a peak kind.
The only downside is the price.