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side exhaust proposal

Postby DatSRBoi » Thu Jun 23, 2005 10:38 am

Dont get it... Side exhaust are cool and all and would make your solara sound like a beast.. But you know what side exhaust were really meant for right? High power cars.. solara stock Tq is nice on our car, but if your like some of the guys like me in this forum, bigger pipings caused a huge lag in our performance due to the drop of Tq... Now you doing a pipe that short to the side would drop your Tq even more then my car. Would you sacrifice Tq for sounds and look? because ever since I got my exhaust hook up on 2.7 inch pipings on a non boosted solara, oh man the car feels laggy and no torqie.... So its up to you. Its a niec idea only if you looking for sounds not power...
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Postby Mandarinsolara » Thu Jun 23, 2005 2:21 pm

but oh it will sound so beasty

with a high flow cat can i throw flames you think?
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Postby returnofthedack » Thu Jun 23, 2005 9:37 pm

what if u had something that came out right before the back wheel, kinda similar to the "light-weight srt-4" that was featured in a sport compact car a few months back, its sporty, doesnt look ricey,..and it threw flames. i was thinking about that.
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Postby Astro » Fri Jun 24, 2005 12:08 am

^^^^Damn, that is freakin' hott!!! :P Great idea...
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Postby lazyboyz69 » Fri Jun 24, 2005 1:45 am

dude thats tight the exhuast with a flip of a switch
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Postby Paladin06Greg » Fri Jun 24, 2005 2:38 am

Someone just said to me the other day, what’s left to do Greg? Well now, we know. Like that, crazy Geico commercial says, "You can do it"!
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Postby Mandarinsolara » Fri Jun 24, 2005 4:39 am

ya, when i saw that silver str-4 on the cover of sport compact im pretty sure i posted about it, saying i wanted those pipes. bc it was spittin flames like mad insane. (EDIT: ya lol, here is the first proposal http://www.solaraguy.org/viewtopic.php?t=12309&start=0&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=side+exhaust )

milt, you may be on to something. i like the idea of instant sleeper at the touch of a button.

throw a 50 shot in with it and you got yourself a nasty sleeper.

im savin up for that, good find. side pipes were a little outlandish to begin with.
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Postby Astro » Fri Jun 24, 2005 3:23 pm

Paladin06Greg wrote:Someone just said to me the other day, what’s left to do Greg? Well now, we know. Like that, crazy Geico commercial says, "You can do it"!


Greg, I'd love to hear how that bad boy would sound on your ride 8) A rumblin' V6!!!
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Postby Sp33d » Fri Jun 24, 2005 3:44 pm

its called an electric cut out, right? i am doing that as soon as i have the money. and since many of you know that i want mine to be a sleeper, an electric cut out is the only way to go. It's called the QTEC and i was wondering. if you had that, can you use the stock piping? or would you have to do a custom pipe? need some help..thanks.

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Postby PhreakdOut » Fri Jun 24, 2005 6:05 pm

I think you're going to be dissapointed by the exhaust bypass or side exhaust.

Reason #1) Short run exhaust pipes or extreamely large diameter systems are meant for one thing, moving a massive volume of gases. Turbo charged applications or high RPM circle track engines are good for this. The sacrifice is (as stated a few times earlier) low end torque. Aside from the other obvious side effects, the lack of low end torque will drive you nuts on the street. Chevettes will eat you up at stop lights. By changing the exhaust runner length and diameter, what you are losing is a "scavenging" effect. (Very fundamental exhaust & header design)

Keeping things simple;
Too small of a pipe diameter, and the exhaust gas builds backpressure. Exhaust pulses of spent gasses can not escape to atmospheric pressure quick enough before the next pulse is released from the engine.

Too large of a pipe diameter will affect lower rpm engines in this way. Exhaust pulses escape to atmospheric pressure too quickly creating a theoritical vacuum behind each pulse. (A low pressure following a high pressure.) If this pull is too great, part of the intake charge is pulled through the exhaust valve at the moment both intake and exhaust valves are open. The exhaust valve shuts and the cylinder is left with a partial air/fuel charge before the compression stroke.

In short, (too late),until you actually put more air into the engine, you don't need to open up the exhaust. Trust me, Toyota takes this into account during engine design. We have designed systems with them where slightly increasing backpressure will cause a major shift in the torque curve. This is why some aftermarket exhaust systems offer little performance gains. They sound awesome, but little to no gain. Couple this with a less restrictive intake or better yet, a CAI setup when cooler air can form a more dense air/fuel charge, then you are taking advantage of low restriction exhaust.

Reason #2) As everyone pointed out, this is highly illegal to change the exhaust configuration to eliminate or bypass emission control equipment. (Ok this isn't a show stopper if you can get away with it. But side pipes will attract the Police to you and write you up for the violation.) If you had loud exhaust with it exiting in the rear of the vehicle, they may not notice the converters missing.

Reason #3) Side exhaust is hell on your hearing. Ask any hotrodder that runs header mufflers. An hour or so cruising around with the exhaust coming out by your door will make your ears ring. It's huge difference inside the car when the exhaust runs out the back. (Even if there's no muffler on the car) Owners of the first gen Viper had the same issue. This is why the GT-S had exhaust out the back. My buddy at work designed the second Gen Viper exhaust and DaimlerChrysler tasked him with side exit exhaust that meets the 95dB passby regs. This could only be done by taking the driver's side exhaust and crossing it in front of the rear axel over to the passenger to exit before the rear tire. The same was done on the passenger side to exit before the driver's rear tire. If you ever have an opportunity to stop by a Dodge dealer and look under a new Viper, it's a real work of engineering. With all that exhaust tuning, we were able to squeak out 500hp and gobs of low end torque. And for the reasons meantioned in #1, I would only rip that system off if I was doing road racing with sustained high rpms.

Reason #4) Your paint will hate you for side exhaust. Remember the 1997 Ford F-150 V-8? The OE exhaust came out on the passenger side just before the rear tire. This was a HUGE cost savings to Ford. Until they realized the the heat and fumes from the exhaust ruined the finish on the right rear wheel and side of the pickup bed. 1998 F-150s had the exhaust out the back. Ford still dabbles with this design on SVT Lightning and Harley Davidson F-150s. The twin tail pipes may have helped to dissapate the heat.

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Postby udonoogen » Fri Jun 24, 2005 10:09 pm

yeah cliff notes please
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