Scoping interest for a dual exhaust kit for gen1-1.5

[pythonjosh]

We're looking at starting with two catback exhaust systems if there is enough interest, a single tip mandrel bent system that runs a magna flow exhaust, piping at your choice of 2.5" or 3" and a stainless steel tip of your choice of 4", 6" or 7" (The smaller the louder). The other system would be a Y bend dual muffler exhaust system, same setup with 2.5" or 3" piping and dual magna flow mufflers with the same size options. The system would come complete with all necessary flanges and bolt directly up. The dual exhaust system would require a little drilling to make spots to hold the new piping and muffler in place. Both setups would be dyno proven.
The 2.5" systems will be cheaper than the 3", and obviously the single tip/muffler will be cheaper than the dual. Since the product will be in developement, we will post dyno numbers with the exhausts themselves when they are completed (if you guys post enough interest here).
Also wanted to add that this will only be for the V6/1MZFE Solaras because we don't have a 5sfe/2azfe to look at.

[JavaJoe_2]

Would it also fit the Camry?
If so which Gen?

[ChargedSolara]

i'm assuming it will fit the 1mzfe gen4 camry, no?

i'd be interested, give us a ballpark figure.

its amazing i still run stock in and out w/my s/c, its about time to get somethin

[toy4x4boy]

A dual exhaust kit would be sweet. Gettin tired of the one I have now.

[jeffrey_o]

Hey, I'm the friend who's looking at working on the project with Josh.

Currently, we're uncertain whether it would fit the Camry or not, I do not have a 1mz camry to look at right now. Does anyone know if the piping and bolt locations are the same? If the piping is the same but the bolt locations are different, we could produce the exhaust for both, if the piping were completely different, we may put the Camry version on hold and make that as a slightly future project. I'd like anyone who has experience on both systems to chime in though.

Here are the balkpark figures of what we're looking at.

For initial production, depending on interest, we will either make these mass produced or do a limited edition of 20 per each set. It all depends on if we're able to make our money back on production and parts cost.

Here are the guesstimates.

Single tip 2.5" piping - $400.
Single tip 3" piping - $500
Dual tip 2.5" piping - $650
Dual tip 3" piping - $800

The extra costs should be pretty evident, more piping, for the larger 3", more flanges for the dual tip, an extra muffler, and an extra tip. This also requires more weld time.

We're hoping that both kits add about 9whp (around 12 to the crank) on a stock engine. Whereas a 2.5" piping would lose it's gains around 300whp and the 3" would be able to continue generating power on a % level beyond 300whp. The tips would cost the same reglardless. We will not charge extra for larger tips. 4" would be very loud, and 6" would be pretty beefy sounding (a bit like a v8) the 7" would be quieter and sound a bit more like your original v6, but with a lower tone (except during full open throttle) Any other questions feel free to ask, again, we're gauging interest. If enough people show interest we will begin testing and production of some new products.

[pythonjosh]

Looks like the gen4 Camry is the same as the gen1-1.5 Solara. Keyword, "looks like". I haven't seen one in real life so I can't say for sure. I'm sure we will definitely find out as soon as I can find one to poke my head under. We are quite serious about doing this and I hope there's some good interest as Solaraguy is the only community we are gauging. We might put on TN too, but those are mostly Camry guys.

[hskrsolara]

Do you know what the part #'s are for the mufflers you are using? Street or Race style mufflers? Sounds pretty cool, magnaflow mufflers are damn nice.

[jeffrey_o]

No, I haven't chosen a specefic muffler yet. I have had good experience with custom systems using magnaflow mufflers before and I didn't see any reason to change my mind now. If I have enough interest, we will try several mufflers to find the one that sounds best with a good deep tone to it. So far things are looking good though. Keep the interest coming.

[Astro]

Man, I'd love to jump on this. But, I have a black widow kit and have a non-mandrel bent y-pipe. I also just put on 2 Magnaflow #14863 mufflers and they are sweet sounding. I wonder if these pipes would match up with my cutouts. Man, I'd love to change it out with a mandrel bent 3" y-pipe. Would you be willing to make one w/o the mufflers?

[jeffrey_o]

Man, I'd love to jump on this. But, I have a black widow kit and have a non-mandrel bent y-pipe. I also just put on 2 Magnaflow #14863 mufflers and they are sweet sounding. I wonder if these pipes would match up with my cutouts. Man, I'd love to change it out with a mandrel bent 3" y-pipe. Would you be willing to make one w/o the mufflers?

Well, it's not impossible, but your flanges are the end probably won't match up properly due to the different size piping, you may need some kind of adapter. However, if you just want the Y pipe, I might be (MIGHT) able to come up with something for you. I don't think most people realize quite how important mandrel bent piping is and how much beefier 3" is over the 2 and 2.5 counterparts... you seem to though =D. Educate them Astros.

[WJN333]

I know you said this was for the v6 only, but ive been told that from the cat back on gen 1-1.5 aside from one extra sensor on the v6, that is easily plugged by the i4 poeple, the systems run the same. Thats why I4 people can run the cat back systems from Greddy, Apexi.......that are designed/listed for the v6. Just thought you might get more interest if you go for more of the market. Like me im an I4 guy looking into exhaust right now.

Would i need CARB for this?

[ClassySolaraGuy]

I know you said this was for the v6 only, but ive been told that from the cat back on gen 1-1.5 aside from one extra sensor on the v6, that is easily plugged by the i4 poeple, the systems run the same. Thats why I4 people can run the cat back systems from Greddy, Apexi.......that are designed/listed for the v6. Just thought you might get more interest if you go for more of the market. Like me im an I4 guy looking into exhaust right now.

Would i need CARB for this?

Same here dude! I know that you have to plug the hole on the catback Greddy as well. Same exhaust setup as the v6 though .

[StockSolara]

Gen 4 Camry and Gen1-1.5 Solara. . . V6 or I4 is the same exhaust EXCEPT the gen 1.5 2AZ-FE doesn't have the O2 sensor after the CAT that is why some people say you will have to plug up the hole

[jeffrey_o]

That's all awesome information to have. The only car we have to work on is a gen 1 1mz, so I haven't been able to match up Camry and i4 exhaust systems. If that is the case, then yes we can offer the exhaust to both and maybe an extra plug to fill the hole for the sensor for those of you not in need.

The system will be CARB legal since it is a catback system and does not replace the actual Catalytic convertor itself.

However, Josh and I were also talking and if these sell well enough to make a profit, we are discussing the possibility of making a straight pipe replacement to the cat and headers a new set of headers for the 1mz with the profit we make from the exhaust. That would give a complete exhaust set on the market. If things continue, we'd continue to release new parts also. If we make these and they don't sell well enough to return the money we put into production and experimentation, well at least some of you got a worthwhile product .

[jeffrey_o]

One other thing I forgot to add, with the installation of a straight pipe to replace the catalytic convertor, you can easily get between 10-25 whp with that and the exhaust that is under consideration right now. That's up to 30 to the crank (depending on the condition of your ignition and the engine itself, pistons, piston ringlands, etc.).

The straight pipe we will develope will be an easy bolt on that will replace the cat and possibly the B-pipe. This would be an option for the 1mz group only.

For CA residents: The straight pipe that will replace the CAT will NOT be CARB legal. You should smog before you install the straight pipe and keep your old CAT for temporary replacement during smoging. The entire procedure shouldn't take more than an hour even with little to no mechanical knowledge. This makes it an option even for CA residents concerned about passing smog!

The straight pipe will be guaranteed to be put into production if this exhaust system also goes into production. Thanks in advance.

Just for legal reasons - I do not in any way endorse or support the evasion of smog laws from any state or country. You should abide by your laws and regulations.

-Jeffrey Osborn