Return of the CP-E MAFci intake (group buy is over)

[RPM]

My guess is that the Solara had an automatic transmission and the Mazda 6i had a manual transmission. It has been noted among Mazda 6 owners that a manual Mazda 6i (4-cyl) is as quick as an automatic Mazda 6s (V6). Those darn automatic gearboxes rob a ton of power!

[crispone]

i know i can buy the stand-alone tunable box, but i just want to make sure that if i buy it, it will have the same preloaded maps the other guys are running (with the pipe). MY dilemma is that I want the tunable box w/preset maps like the package because I dont have money/time to get a dyno tune at the moment. Having the preset maps will at least ensure that I'm not going to damage my engine until I can get it tuned.

It just dont want to be penalized by having no pretuned maps on the standalone tunable box just because I didnt order the pipe as well.

Actually, it would be safer to run the standalone MAF Customizer with no map at all (i.e. same as stock) than it would be to run a map that was designed for a different intake. The pretuned map is designed to work specifically with the CPE intake. Running that map with another intake could be potentially harmful to your engine, especially if it turned out that it was causing it to run too lean. Without using a wideband O2 sensor, it would be impossible to know how the map was causing your car to react.

Man, I thought I was pretty thorough on this topic before... somebody, ANYBODY, correct me if I'm WRONG....

You are NOT going to have a properly "tuned" vehicle if you just get the MAF with the "pre-map" in it that is dialed in for the CP-e kit including the PIPE.... (Unless you are assembling a pipe of the EXACT same dimensions and flow characteristics as the one from CP-e.) If you just wanted the stock MAP, you could probably have one of us with a MAFci tuneable to save it as a file through the software interface, then send it to you and download it.... what good does a TUNED MAP do if your set-up isn't reflecting the TUNING CONDITIONS the map is dialed to?

Sorry to jump in on this, but I've been tuning Yoshimura EMS units and Powercommanders for motorcycles for years, and you can't just take one map and transfer it to another bike that has different pipes, intake, or related mods... at least, not get a "spot-on" tune from it. You'll need a dyno, or a/f mixture feedback and alot of pulls under varying load and RPM to slowly dial a car in... better get the kit or plan on DYNO time.

Just my thoughts.... (Can someone counter this advice?) Hate to see you have a ruff time with it. I'm not sure you should try ANY tuning challenge without assistance from your posts, but maybe I'm off base here...


-crisp

[CASTRO]

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sad that a simple request of getting the base maps other guys have without the pipe makes me look like I know nothing about electronics or cars. I fully understand that no two cars are a like. Thank you crisp for sharing you knowledge, but in my discussion with RPM, it is irrelavent since its plain and simple that I am just requesting the maps which people get anyways IF they buy the pipe.

Since I allready know from the start that no two cars are a like and you have further explained countless times, it should be clear that I dont expect the pre-mapped values to work wonders for my car. Reason is ince again that I dont want to get a blank box or worse, one that that is tuned far lean than what preset values come with the pipe. Better to have what everone else has instead of taking a chance. AGAIN I know I need a dyno, BUT read my post once again that currently I have no time or money for it at the moment.

Plain and simple, not asking for a lecture on fuel or whatever: Can I order a tunable box WITH pre-mapped values. (Basically whatever everyone is ordering minus the pipe)

im tired now...

[hskrsolara]

Alright...I am strongly considering buying but have a dilemma...Who all is purchasing the tunable version? I am NA, so not sure if I will need one but there is always that possibility of sc'ing in the future...

Also, who all is purchasing the bypass module? Why or why not? Any input is appreciated.

[99V6solaraSE]

im gonna try to get the tuneable version... i was hesititant to get it at first but i figured that i too might later on get a SC.

What is the bypass module?

[bassthrive]

i bought non-tunable, no bypass. not even a remote chance i will boost in the future.

[Midias]

im gonna try to get the tuneable version... i was hesititant to get it at first but i figured that i too might later on get a SC.

What is the bypass module?

Check out the web page where you buy from it holds the answers to ALL of your questions

[99V6solaraSE]

for those of you who are wondering if u can upgrade.... i emailed CP-e and this is what they said:

Yes you will be able to upgrade later. The upgrade charge is 149 if you do
it later and 99 if you do it now. So its up to you, save a few bucks now
and get the non tune or save a few bucks later and get the tuneable up
front.

[Midias]

forgive me if im just ignorant but i couldnt find on the CPe site .. where it says what a bypass module is...
for those of you who are wondering if u can upgrade.... i emailed CP-e and this is what they said:

Yes you will be able to upgrade later. The upgrade charge is 149 if you do
it later and 99 if you do it now. So its up to you, save a few bucks now
and get the non tune or save a few bucks later and get the tuneable up
front.

here is the link from above where you select your options on the RPM website
http://www.therpmstore.com/product_info ... cts_id=245

[99V6solaraSE]

i just submitted my payments
umm were we able to hit 10 buyers? if we do we still get the 10 buyer discount?
last i checked we had 7... 3 more!!!

any idea how soon we can get this?

[Midias]

i just submitted my payments
umm were we able to hit 10 buyers? if we do we still get the 10 buyer discount?
last i checked we had 7... 3 more!!!

any idea how soon we can get this?

Quoting the RPM store from the previous page look about 2-3 weeks.

I sent in the purchase order and CPE says that they will just be waiting for the pipes to be cut, bent, and powdercoated. They expect this to take approximately 2-3 weeks.

Group buy pricing will be closed on Thursday, November 30, 2006. If you want to get in on this, we need your order in the next 3 days.

[99V6solaraSE]

well i was thinkin that 2-3 weeks was the production time maybe...

so how long to get to our door...?

[Midias]

well i was thinkin that 2-3 weeks was the production time maybe...

so how long to get to our door...?

Probably about a week after that he said we should get them before christmass so i would say no more than 35 days or so.

[crispone]

^
sad that a simple request of getting the base maps other guys have without the pipe makes me look like I know nothing about electronics or cars. I fully understand that no two cars are a like. Thank you crisp for sharing you knowledge, but in my discussion with RPM, it is irrelavent since its plain and simple that I am just requesting the maps which people get anyways IF they buy the pipe.

Since I allready know from the start that no two cars are a like and you have further explained countless times, it should be clear that I dont expect the pre-mapped values to work wonders for my car. Reason is ince again that I dont want to get a blank box or worse, one that that is tuned far lean than what preset values come with the pipe. Better to have what everone else has instead of taking a chance. AGAIN I know I need a dyno, BUT read my post once again that currently I have no time or money for it at the moment.

Plain and simple, not asking for a lecture on fuel or whatever: Can I order a tunable box WITH pre-mapped values. (Basically whatever everyone is ordering minus the pipe)

im tired now...

CASTRO, you said...

"Having the preset maps will at least ensure that I'm not going to damage my engine until I can get it tuned. "

MY BAD on "lecturing" on this... I just didn't want to see you "assume" there would be no damage potential if you used JUST the MAF CUSTOMIZER with a pre-loaded map (albeit without the full kit). Truth be told, I DON'T KNOW the risks involved, so I shouldn't be making any cautionary statements.

I also noticed that RPM suggested using the MAFci "WITHOUT" a map. This makes perfect sense to me. You expressed concern with a "BLANK BOX", or, I'm assuming "MAP-LESS" box. Since these types of tuneable boxes are "PIGGY-BACK" to existing ECU's, they are simply "OFF-SETTING" values for the MAF signal... My point was that the "OFF-SET" values tuned for the CP-e Full Kit would likely be "off" for some other pipe. Anyway, sounds like you know all of that, so...

I hope your question gets answered, and I hope your application works GREAT! I'm sure JOSH at CP-e can better help you out.

Once again, my apologies for coming across ignorantly... certainly not my intent. Hope you share your experience either way, so we can all learn from what you end up doing.

Good luck!


-crisp

[CASTRO]

no problem Crisp, no harm done. I just made the assumption that it is better to run with pre-loaded settings as Sienna is one of the only guys here to run a CPE on the supercharger. So far he has had no problems even without it getting tuned. If he can run the setup without a tune, Then that must mean it is a better starting base for me instead of some mystery box settings.

Again, sorry for the confusion of sounding like a newbie, I've just seen too many times where someone buys a standalone or piggyback, and one installed had such different settings from what they expected that the car wouldnt even idle right. There was no guarantee that the box would come blank/non-tuned and be safe so I just too the initiative to request those settings.

Well, about to do a little bit more homework and see if this is really for me. I've seen that even the SAFC gets maxed out on the settings and sometimes isnt enough to compensate for boost.

Whatever happens, hope you all enjoy! The CPE is a great product from what ive seen.