OCD on details. *update II*

[CamryOnBronze]

What made you guys decide to want a front bar? Both my solara and my camry were very prone to understeer before I installed my rear sway bars. When I did, the car rotated a lot better in the corners and almost wanted to oversteer in some situations. Just curious why people go with a front as well... doesn't that cancel out the benefit of running just a RSB on a FWD car?

Looks nice either way though man. Was that center console piece from my car?

[SleeperSolara]

What made you guys decide to want a front bar? Both my solara and my camry were very prone to understeer before I installed my rear sway bars. When I did, the car rotated a lot better in the corners and almost wanted to oversteer in some situations. Just curious why people go with a front as well... doesn't that cancel out the benefit of running just a RSB on a FWD car?

Looks nice either way though man. Was that center console piece from my car?

Well when i took a leaf clover on the highway i could notice that the front end was alittle soft, and it was really hard to take the turn alittle fast.
Now that i have the front sway bar in, i can control the car better, and take the leaf clover on the highway better.

Thanks man.
Somewhat..... lol.
You arm rest console had a broke tab....
But you did have some clean front cup holders, and the rear cup holders were good, also the arm rest was nice and still had some cushion in it, compared to mine it was worn out.
So basically i stole some parts and transfered to mine, and i just clean the main piece.

[SleeperSolara]

Update.

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What made you guys decide to want a front bar? Both my solara and my camry were very prone to understeer before I installed my rear sway bars. When I did, the car rotated a lot better in the corners and almost wanted to oversteer in some situations. Just curious why people go with a front as well... doesn't that cancel out the benefit of running just a RSB on a FWD car?

This was the exact same question I had about adding a thicker FSB. TRD made the RSB but I'm wondering if this is the reason they never made a FSB..

[jetbtkng]

the front , and rear sway bars keep the car from leaning & swaying, if you want to go fast around a corner, the car needs to be flat, the sway bars keeps the car flat in corners, my car turns on a dime, just because were front wheel drive doesnt mean a front sway bar is useless, it actually helps to stop wheel spin in tight corners during accleration through the middle & exit......................

[scamry]

from what little auto x-ing I have done and been around, and the FF cars I've driven, I think a rear sway bar is a more worth-while mod. I have driven cars where the front sway bar has been removed, and while this does affect turn-in, your suspension also affects this, and it can be compensated for... and there is a lot of argument as to the effects of a front sway bar...whether it helps prevent understeer or makes the problem worse..

that being said, as I don't track my car, I wouldn't mind have a front bar just to stiffen up the front a little..

[jetbtkng]

theres no way a lara with only the rear sway bar could keep up, it would be flying off the track, i know ive done it, as soon as i installed the whiteline front sway bar, the car will dig in the corners, all i know is when bbq bob and me go to the track, we get laughed at, until we whoop on them, then the questions start being asked by those same folks, what kinda car, what mods, hp, ect. all i can say is i pass cars that are many times more expensive than my $5000 lara, add $3000 in mods though, and should kick my lara's asss.................

[CamryOnBronze]

Coilovers and a RSB will pretty much remove all body roll. Sway bars greatly effect the way a car handles when it comes to understeer and oversteer. Yes, they do reduce body roll- but there is a lot more involved than that.

The main reason that people add a rear sway bar is to make the car rotate more in the car (a.k.a. inhibit oversteer.) On a FWD car, there is always a strong tendency to understeer from the factory, for obvious safety reasons. Generally, adding both bars to a FWD car will indeed reduce body roll, but the car will still have a tendency to understeer/plow in the corners, which is not usually what people want a car to do.

Bigger will not always be better for every application, and the size difference between available front and rear sway bars will affect vehicle handling dynamics. Front wheel drive cars will have a tendency to understeer from the factory. The understeer can be countered by having a larger sway bar in the back, or in the event of using small sway bars, having a small sway bar in the back and no sway bar in the front.

From http://www.jdmuniverse.com/forums/view_ekswaybars.html

[scamry]

these debates always turn into a spitting contest....there is always gonna be arguing, but i understand what you're saying......i agree with you damon, even just coilovers with the stock rsb make a huge difference in body roll... i would say more than just springs with all the new sways you want..

[jetbtkng]

your totally wrong, theres no nose plow at all on my car, with out it then the car plows, and coilovers wont work as good unless you have a front sway bar installed, i dont know where this info comes from, but i know for a fact understeer is greatly reduced, damon come drive my car, and your views on this will change, i garantee it, and theres no spitting contest at all.................

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I pretty much agree with Damon says. Yes it reduces body roll and makes it flatter during cornering, but it'd be doing that upfront which sorta negates the oversteer induced by the RSB. Anywho, I guess the best way to find out is by driving both setups...And GMR would be the perfect road for that

[99BlackSandv6]

The front sway bar should reduce understeer on our cars.
The reason is because it will keep pressure on the inside tire
in the turns and the outside tire will have less force to hold.
Instead of one tire holding 80% of the lateral force, and the other only
20%, the split is closer to 50/50.
Since both tires are sharing the load, the tires don't lose traction.
I hope that makes sense.
Basically if the same car is turning in the same radius,
once with and once without a front sway bar.
The car will hold better on the front end if it has the sway bar.

[CamryOnBronze]

^ That is TOTALLY dependent on the orientation of the car (FWD, RWD, AWD) , and the size of the front and rear sway bars. But I digress, I'm not here for a pissing match and I'm not trying to crap on Sleeper's thread.

your totally wrong, theres no nose plow at all on my car, with out it then the car plows, and coilovers wont work as good unless you have a front sway bar installed, i dont know where this info comes from, but i know for a fact understeer is greatly reduced, damon come drive my car, and your views on this will change, i garantee it, and theres no spitting contest at all.................

And I can tell you that my solara had NO plow or understeer with just a RSB, so neither of us is going to come out of this right. I'd ask you to come drive it as well, but it is rotting somewhere in a junk yard.

Sorry for the OT posts.

[99BlackSandv6]

I stand by my post. The physics are there.
But you are correct that it depends on the chassis.
However the physics are solid.
If you have tires sharing a load instead of being
unequally loaded you are less likely to lose traction on the
unloaded, or in this case the inside tire. Because it has
more pressure on it.
Also the front end is not the only end that is affected
by the addition of a front sway bar.
If the car has less body roll all the tires have closer
to equal loads on them. That's why race cars use stiffer
suspension setups, to keep traction when cornering.

Bottom line, I think if Frank says that the car doesn't
have more understeer, then we may as well take his word for it.
It just makes sense.

If anyone else on here has an upgraded front sway bar,
I would like to hear their opinion too.

[scamry]

so you take frank's word, and I take Damon's and mine...

again...arguments...drop it...no one is going to drive anybody else's cars and it doesn't matter to be honest.

some people always have to be right and love to talk, and there is no reasoning with them...even if their logic sucks...such is life...




TO THE OP....What wheels are on your car? Got any other pics???