Anyone have dyno numbers for the '04 Solara?

[Weedo]

I thought about getting mine done but I'm going to wait a while to find out if/when the Supercharger is going to come out. Then I will do before/after dyno's. Just curious...

[NOBOOST]

I thought about getting mine done but I'm going to wait a while to find out if/when the Supercharger is going to come out. Then I will do before/after dyno's. Just curious...

I still have not scanned my #'s in but will when I get time...

195 hp/ 208 tq is what I remember... The sheet is buried in a pile of moving papers right now

[Weedo]

195/208

That's actually pretty accurate for a 225/240. At 15% loss that should figure around 191/204 at the wheels.

Sometimes the manufacturers will rate them high or low, looks like Toyota rated it correctly. I saw a test on the SRT-4 Neon putting down around 230hp at the wheels, stock, and it's rated at that at the motor. Now that's heathly! Then there was a Ram "Hemi" putting down 225 even though they're rated at 345. I think the law should be changed to a "wheel horse power" so no one can lie any more.

[NOBOOST]

195/208

That's actually pretty accurate for a 225/240. At 15% loss that should figure around 191/204 at the wheels.

Sometimes the manufacturers will rate them high or low, looks like Toyota rated it correctly.

I think the unwritten law states Crank HP/TQ... I thought only a 13% loss was amazing for this tranny.... much better than average for sure!!!!

I know vw/audis lose around 17-20% in the auto's...25% in awd models

Mazda was overstating the RX-8 so much that they had to change the real HP #'s...

[Weedo]

195/208

That's actually pretty accurate for a 225/240. At 15% loss that should figure around 191/204 at the wheels.

Sometimes the manufacturers will rate them high or low, looks like Toyota rated it correctly.

I think the unwritten law states Crank HP/TQ... I thought only a 13% loss was amazing for this tranny.... much better than average for sure!!!!

I know vw/audis lose around 17-20% in the auto's...25% in awd models

Mazda was overstating the RX-8 so much that they had to change the real HP #'s...

Yep, I saw a dyno of the new RX-8 and it put down a ground-pounding 170hp to the wheels (cough cough, weez weez)! I thought it was pretty funny considering my '98 M3 (240hp) put down 222hp at the wheels.

I'm not sure it's so much that these different manufacturers or types of cars lose a certain percent to the wheel HP as it is that they flat out lie about what the HP level is. Example - the RX-8 at 170hp to the wheels shouldn't be rated much more than 200hp. I seriously doubt they're losing a ton of power through the drivetrain of that car.

[mattyboyl]

I heard the hp rating at an impressive 196 hp at the wheels for the Solara. That is absolutely amazing and very minimal drivetrain loss if you ask me!

[Weedo]

I heard the hp rating at an impressive 196 hp at the wheels for the Solara. That is absolutely amazing and very minimal drivetrain loss if you ask me!

It's not "low drivetrain loss", it's simply that the car has more power than what it's rated at...

So was my M3 at 222 wheel hp (240 rating) losing only 8% to the rear wheels? Not a chance, it was simply underrated from the factory.

[mattyboyl]

I own't deny that in some cases. I know companys overrate and underrate all the time. I know Toyota has low drivetrain loss because I had a car that had comparable numbers but ran crappy times. I modded the car up and still, crappy times. My brother has a Toyota and did similar mods I did to my 3000GT and his car perked up with only a few mods. Now I know this has alot to do with drivetrain loss. How do you explain an underdrive pulley, exhaust, intake, apexi fuel controller in a car already rated higher in hp and at a comparable weight next to a car with an intake and exhaust that can now blow by you every time? This was the case with my bro's Camry vs. a friend's 3000GT.

Also, I have seen 3000GTs 5 speed manuals dynoed at 161 whp. Remeber, the 300GT is rated at 222hp stock! That's a huge loss. We have an automatic rated at 225 hp getting 196 whp. Maybe we should be rated 230 hp, who knows, but that would still be impressive!

[Weedo]

I own't deny that in some cases. I know companys overrate and underrate all the time. I know Toyota has low drivetrain loss because I had a car that had comparable numbers but ran crappy times. I modded the car up and still, crappy times. My brother has a Toyota and did similar mods I did to my 3000GT and his car perked up with only a few mods. Now I know this has alot to do with drivetrain loss. How do you explain an underdrive pulley, exhaust, intake, apexi fuel controller in a car already rated higher in hp and at a comparable weight next to a car with an intake and exhaust that can now blow by you every time? This was the case with my bro's Camry vs. a friend's 3000GT.

Also, I have seen 3000GTs 5 speed manuals dynoed at 161 whp. Remeber, the 300GT is rated at 222hp stock! That's a huge loss. We have an automatic rated at 225 hp getting 196 whp. Maybe we should be rated 230 hp, who knows, but that would still be impressive!

Yep, I agree, the car should probably rated more along the lines of 235hp instead of 225hp. Companies should just start rating wheel HP because "at the crank" doesn't mean anything anymore. There are just too many other variables. Most trucks don't even come close to realistic figures because there is such a drivetrain loss. What good is a 345HP truck that really puts down 250HP? I think Dodge should just get over the Hemi gig. Then again, it seems to work as their marketing is bringing in people that just don't know any better.

Oh, on that note, I had to whip a guy pretty good with his Hemi 2 wheel drive. He kept trying but was a few car lenghts behind to about 65 each time. A few as in 3-4!!!!

[mattyboyl]

Just to get off topic for as sceond. Despite Dodge's Hemi advertising, it's working for them. Toyota has done a horrible job in my opinion marketing this Solara. The Solara is a quality automobile (today's standards) for the money. They have done nothing to gear this car towards the youth. The older generation has been buying Camrys consistantly. The Solara doesn't interest alot of the older generation due to aggressive styling and being two doors along with the fancy body kit package, sport pedals and other goodies the older generation can do without.

[Weedo]

Just to get off topic for as sceond. Despite Dodge's Hemi advertising, it's working for them. Toyota has done a horrible job in my opinion marketing this Solara. The Solara is a quality automobile (today's standards) for the money. They have done nothing to gear this car towards the youth. The older generation has been buying Camrys consistantly. The Solara doesn't interest alot of the older generation due to aggressive styling and being two doors along with the fancy body kit package, sport pedals and other goodies the older generation can do without.

You're right, it is working for Dodge, I think it's hilarious how many people think it's really a powerful motor. And I also agree Toyota has done a crappy job advertising the Solara. Like we talked about before, around $22k for a loaded SE sport???? You can't touch that with any other car: combination of speed, looks, quality, resale value, comfort, etc, etc...

They advertise the Double Cab on just about every sporting event, commercial, radio, and more. Trying to steal away the thunder from Ford. They need to concentrate more on their bread and butter in my opinion...

[NOBOOST]

They also have been pumping up the Prius and you cant even buy one right now... or at least they are VERY hard to find...

The Solara is not a mainstream car and toyota says its not very profitable for them which is why they probably advertise their high profit cars like the trucks... BUT the prius may be the most unprofitable car in history because I was told they lose money on every one sold and only produce it as a test bed for there new hybrids .

They also probably want to get all the bugs worked out of the car and the factory up to speed before they start chugging them out like corollas