intake problems

by **SolaraT** » Tue Jul 13, 2004 2:49 pm

The ebay ones don't have the sensor fittings up to par. I don't even think it's legal like the Injen models.

And another thing which does not make sense. "I want power cheap" That just don't make sense at all. POWER does not = cheap. :lol:

Drop the Toy and get an Injen Short Ram with the CAI extension. Yeah you’re going to spend almost $300.00 vs. the $25.00 Toy. Does not even compare. :-?

Krzray even custom fitted it on the 2AZ-fe and loves it! So far every Solara model/engine except for the new Gen2s (2004) has installed Danny's CAI with the Injen Short Ram with great results.

Nice long video of it on the 2az-fe http://www.zer0.info/solaraguy/viewtopi ... hlight=cai
Instalation testimony for the 2az-fe
http://www.zer0.info/solaraguy/viewtopi ... highlight=

by **JoeB** » Tue Jul 13, 2004 3:18 pm

I'll share my experience and thoughts. I bought the Injen short ram intake and Danny's cold air extension. A couple weeks ago, I drove around in stop and go traffic for 20 minutes, never over 30mph with 1 stop of almost 2 minutes and on a 90* day, the air intake temperature never went over 100*. I never took this same measurement with just the short ram but I am quite certain the temps would be significantly higher. Also, it would've been nice to compare the stock air box with K&N filter temps but it would be difficult to add in the added benefit of the increased air flow of the Injen intake.

Anyone can simply make a pipe to stick on the end of the throttle body and put a filter on the end of it. The truth is, you might get lucky and it works fine or you might have an inneficient diameter or length of pipe or maybe a bend in the pipe causes turbulance that interrupts flow. There is also the possibility of impropper flow past the MAF and AIT sensors which would not be good. Bottom line, the Injen and Danny's cold air extension work well for me.

-JoeB

by **SolaraT** » Tue Jul 13, 2004 3:30 pm

Amen to that Joe! Glad to hear it's working for you.

Got to love proven results!

by **808Camry** » Tue Jul 13, 2004 3:57 pm

by slapping on just the short ram, your increasing intake charge temps but you're opening up the flow for more air. So its a give and take, where as a CAI would keep the stock air temps and open up more free flow as well as a higher velocity for the air when it hits the throlle body, since you're sucking the air through a longer pipe.

Last note would be to make sure you get a full cat-back, exhaust. Just the muffler will only add noise, and no real performance gain unless your existing exhaust is really clogged up not releasing the gases as it's supposed to.

by **Stock Solara SEV6** » Wed Jul 14, 2004 2:05 pm

I disagree that you will draw more air into the motor with a change like you are describing. The engine is only going to draw in so much air based on the intake, cams, engine speed, and exhaust restrictions. A long pipe is going to have more restriction than a short pipe, at the same diameter. I agree that intaking cold air is better than hot air because it is more dense, but just the addition of a pipe is not going to help at all.

I've changed MAF meters on other stock motors, increasing the opening over 25%. Performance gains? ZIP. Verified at the dragstrip. Changed mufflers to high flow Flowmasters. Performance gains? ZIP. Save the money for a supercharger.

by **808Camry** » Wed Jul 14, 2004 2:15 pm

I agree that the amount of air is dependent on what the engine pulls in, but what I'm saying is basic physics when you pull i.e. water through a short pipe, and a long pipe, the speed and velocity of the water will gradually increase as it is traveling through the longer pipe. I know this is true because I used to play with nerf guns and we modified the barrels with longer pipes that were the same diameter. The foam dart would launch out of the gun so much faster, harder, and further with the same amount of air pushing it through a longer pipe vs the shorter stock pipe. I'm sure in a car it won't make a noticeable difference, but it does happen.

Now with the more restriction you're talking about, that's where the amount of bends in the pipe would play a role. I'm basing it on a fairly straight extension piece.

by **SolaraT** » Wed Jul 14, 2004 2:46 pm

Man this is a neverending topic. :lol:

The system works period. As compared to the stock system...
Performance gains, YES.
Colder, More Dense, Free Flowing Air, YES.

IMO, I don't think $300.00 is going to affect a save up for a supercharger. I would still get this along with the supercharger most def.

Of coarse much more would come after anyway..the list goes on and on.

You need to extend the pipe inorder to obtain this colder-more dense free flowing air but worth it. More give then take as compared to the short ram. IMO.

I do agree that higher flow rate will occur with the short ram. Suck air through a regular straw (CAI) and then cut it in half. (Short RAM) Easier and quicker air flow right? Same deal.

I'm done talking about this, it's been beat to death.

by **DatSRBoi** » Wed Jul 14, 2004 3:40 pm

So would getting a short ram and then have a pipe from the outside run to the ram air intake work? since its a short ram and when you start driving it draws cold air in to the ram air...???

by **that1mexguy** » Wed Jul 14, 2004 6:57 pm

Well... i installed my Injen intake and Danny's extension last night.... a few months ago i had also bought one of them cheap eBay intakes (sorry, i didnt know any better)... well to make this story short.. that POS intake from eBay didnt work, it wouldnt seal right and my car kept stalling... and with the Injen and the extension... i can already feel a better response, it hasnt stalled, and it does not sound like a lawn mower!!!! (my gf tells me it does, but i think she's only trying to piss me off LOL) :drinking:

cheers!!!

by **DatSRBoi** » Wed Jul 14, 2004 7:16 pm

Man now you make me feel bad to buy one.......

...Is there any way i can rig it and make it good? darn ebay....

by **SolaraT** » Wed Jul 14, 2004 7:20 pm

AMEN thatonemexguy! You live and learn. Everyone goes through it sometimes. Thank God for Solaraguy.com right! I know I avoided many mistakes from this forum. It's either quality stuff or nada! :drinking:

by **bassthrive** » Wed Jul 14, 2004 7:20 pm

I wonder if you could buy a bunch of those eBay short rams and weld them together into a custom CAI :drinking:

- Paul

by **SolaraT** » Wed Jul 14, 2004 7:23 pm

DatSRBoi wrote:Man now you make me feel bad to buy one....... ...Is there any way i can rig it and make it good? darn ebay....

If it's making your car stall now, the CAI extension is not going to help resolve that. Just get the Injen short ram and then get the extension.

by **DatSRBoi** » Wed Jul 14, 2004 7:23 pm

THANK YOU SOLARAGUY.COM!!!! saved me so much money...now I have to live with this so call ram air from ebay. I dont think you can weld them together. They are already cheap stuff and You'll just make air resistence with all them Sensor openings..arrr wish i read this forum earlier and stop from buying.....

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