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DatsRTurbo Solara Interests in here?

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Postby DatSRBoi » Wed Feb 06, 2008 9:33 am

First off this should not be like the little Y pipe mishaps I had for you guys. So if you have a comment to say about that, make your own thread because for real Sheiets happens and I tried my best to get it resolve on a nonprofit project.

I have been keeping this from you guys for 2 months now. Only woaaaa Jeff knows.

To the real topic, I have been in and out of the shop lately with the white solara trying to mock up a turbo kit idea for the solara.

FYI its not cheap. You are looking to spend at AROUND AT LEAST 3 grand and up for a kit. The turbo I have picked for the project is a TO4E Garrett turbo. 60AR with a 57 trim cold side. Yes to some that is a tad bit small but I am looking for response time not a daily super lag machine. It will run on an internal waste gate to save on cost and space on the engine bay. It will be controlled by a turbo XS manual boost controller at 5 PSI ONLY. More if you want but at 5psi it should be more efficient and yield some more power over the robbing supercharger. It will also be fed by a walbro fuel pump. For now HKS BOV reciculated.

This is STILL in the works and I am still figuring out how to make it work on a stock fuel system. The way I have it in my drawing plan is the headers will be replace with one like you see on eBay, but the Y pipe will route back to the front where the turbo will sit in the front. A down pipe will run down from it to your stock exhaust line up. The intercooler will be a side by side setup but I will try to make it opposing setup if piping can be done. Runs up to the intake from there. The intake is also another deli ma I am running into since I will have to use that universal maf adapter.

Tuning will include a apexi neo or what ever is better for the setup on cost.

This kit is not design to make 1000whp or anything. Just something to replace the trd supercharger that has been discontinued. Your looking to make around 60-70whp extra out of it since it does run better without stress to the motor. Like always I will try to make it plug and play but it WILL required some custom drilling into your oilpan and wiring.

ANOTHER thing I am taking into consideration but this will DRIVE cost up BIG time is running a Map-pro or maybe even some other system that will eliminate that dam dildo restrictive maf sensor. Much more easier to run boost on it without lag.

As for the boost and power gains we can not know for sure. I have seen high compression 350Z and other cars pumping out a crappp load of power at 5-6psi over stock hp. Hell you might see 80-90whp with supporting mods on a solara at 5-6psi. You have to understand that that a supercharge robs ALLOT of power from your motor. If you search around the internet there are ALLOT of of proven test showing from 30-80hp lost because of the pulleys the motor has turn. Then it shows them swapping turbos into the same car at the same boost and the car pumps out way more power AT the same boost. theres are a bunch of stuff on it. Ill let you do your own searching.

And why use headers like ebay? Because of design I need to disrupt the flow to even it out more to feed the turbo. The location of the turbo is what kills so much ideas. Twin turbo is a no go and I want to save on cost as much as possible so this is where those ebay headers are useful. And yes, I HAVE THE EBAY TURBO DIMENSIONS.


Turbo- 700
BOV- 250
header/piping-900
IC- 300
IC piping- 200
walbro- 100
MBC- 100-150
upgraded fuel lines and filter (just like the jim fuel mod)-150
neo- 300


AGAIN this is me having interest for myself on my solara. But since I can always mass it out to help Solaraguy grow that I am seeing who wants it to. I can easily keep this to myself. I make no money. Just dreams.

Now for your inputs... Sorry no pictures.

And why does it cost so much? Your paying the same price I am paying. That way there are no number of buyer requirements. No discounts, no nada. What I pay is what you pay.
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Postby tooshorty » Wed Feb 06, 2008 10:39 am

Sounds like a hell of a project...I myself have been throwing up the turbo idea and like you said since the TRD Supercharger has been discontinued I have to find a used one... and i'm not into that as much...So it has pretty much come down to a turbo kit. Well I wish you luck and can't wait to see wat kinda performance u get and if u like it or not :-)
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Postby Sebas007 » Wed Feb 06, 2008 10:56 am

Do you know if the 1MZ headers are like 3MZ headers ?? The project can maybe open to Gen 2 V6 guys. I think for the rest it would be the same...isn't it ?

For the missing space...I think a battery relocation is the best solution !

I think the turbine and compressor size you propose are good especially for low boost...you need to use an A/R small enough to exploit the wanted power thru the longer RPM band as possible !

I wonder if my U151E tranny could take it. What I would have to upgraded on the tranny side...example tranny cooler...??? What will "cut" the boost in between shifts ?? MBC for manual and EBC for auto ?? Any concern on this side for Auto and sequential trannies ?? I don't want to built my sequantial A/T for a low boost setup...would be way to expensive for me. Can it be relliable even without any major tanny upgrade ?

At which current model number TO4E refers too ??
http://www.turbobygarrett.com/turbobygarrett/products/turbochargers.html


Turbo info on what AR and trim size really means
Basics
http://www.turbobygarrett.com/turbobygarrett/tech_center/turbo_tech101.html
Advanced
http://www.turbobygarrett.com/turbobygarrett/tech_center/turbo_tech102.html
Expert
http://www.turbobygarrett.com/turbobygarrett/tech_center/turbo_tech103.html
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Postby Ruski » Wed Feb 06, 2008 11:08 am

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Postby SdeA » Wed Feb 06, 2008 12:04 pm

Wow Dat what a good idea. Hey im all for this if it work out. Thank You for doing this for the Solara community...
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Postby DatSRBoi » Wed Feb 06, 2008 12:04 pm

Sebas007 wrote:Do you know if the 1MZ headers are like 3MZ headers ?? The project can maybe open to Gen 2 V6 guys. I think for the rest it would be the same...isn't it ?

For the missing space...I think a battery relocation is the best solution !

I think the turbine and compressor size you propose are good especially for low boost...you need to use an A/R small enough to exploit the wanted power thru the longer RPM band as possible !

I wonder if my U151E tranny could take it. What I would have to upgraded on the tranny side...example tranny cooler...??? What will "cut" the boost in between shifts ?? MBC for manual and EBC for auto ?? Any concern on this side for Auto and sequential trannies ?? I don't want to built my sequantial A/T for a low boost setup...would be way to expensive for me. Can it be relliable even without any major tanny upgrade ?


As for the 3MZ, I do not know. Maybe Milt or someone can confirm that. Relocating the battery is somewhat a no go because that means longer unwanted pipings=more heat especially for where its located to me is too close to the electronics too.

I am building this on a automatic 1MZ. Still trying to work out the between shifting idea. An EBC would be an awesome idea so I will need to look at what we can use to make up for the troublesome in between shifts. The tranny I am sure can handle 5 psi (no proof yeah but I am pretty sure it can take the task to a good amount of abuse). I can not remember but I think JoeB ran his on low boost for quite some time before he upgraded it. Its been a long time since I read his post so I will have to look more into that. I am sure it will never last as long as a NA setup will be but it should not be a huge issue. Yet............*knock on wood*

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Postby SdeA » Wed Feb 06, 2008 12:13 pm

So like you stated the total for everything will come out to be 3k? I really hope this will turn out good. Keep us updated Dat. :sweet:
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Postby Chinky420 » Wed Feb 06, 2008 12:30 pm

how long do you think it will be until you can start setting up others with this? i totally understand you're in the R&D stages and nowhere near completion, but ballpark figures is all i'm looking for.

6 months? 12 months? ....1 month? :lol:

btw, good job on being innovative
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Postby Sebas007 » Wed Feb 06, 2008 12:46 pm

DatSRBoi wrote:...Relocating the battery is somewhat a no go because that means longer unwanted pipings=more heat especially for where its located to me is too close to the electronics too...



In what relocating the battery will modify your piping ????? The battery is in the back but the "power wire" still at the same exact place going thru the starter. I really don't see what problem this can occurs...may you enumerate what you think can be problematic ??
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Postby DatSRBoi » Wed Feb 06, 2008 2:10 pm

SdeA wrote:So like you stated the total for everything will come out to be 3k? I really hope this will turn out good. Keep us updated Dat. :sweet:


At least lol.
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Postby DatSRBoi » Wed Feb 06, 2008 2:11 pm

Chinky420 wrote:how long do you think it will be until you can start setting up others with this? i totally understand you're in the R&D stages and nowhere near completion, but ballpark figures is all i'm looking for.

6 months? 12 months? ....1 month? :lol:

btw, good job on being innovative


At least 6 months before I can really get anywhere with it if time and money permits. I still have a supra I need to finish.
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Postby DatSRBoi » Wed Feb 06, 2008 2:18 pm

Sebas007 wrote:
In what relocating the battery will modify your piping ????? The battery is in the back but the "power wire" still at the same exact place going thru the starter. I really don't see what problem this can occurs...may you enumerate what you think can be problematic ??


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Using that image as reference. You kind of see no big heat source on the driver side. Yet on the driver side you see cables, hoses, fuses, thin electrical lines, and Yes, the ignition electronics. Imaging having the turbo sit there for extra room from relocating the battery. That creates a lot of extra heat around there area because of the exhaust intake and out take exchange with the turbo. Add the oil line and more piping thats allot of stress and heat for those area. Worries me. The only spot that will get plenty of cooling air and room for the engine to rock back and forth is in front near the stock header location. The aftermarket header gives me more room to work with. I can not use the rear engine bay since the engine will rock too much and I can not use the passenger side because of more electronics and pulleys.
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Postby woa_its_j3ff » Wed Feb 06, 2008 2:22 pm

If this thing really sets off and it's around by '09 count me all in Dats.
And honestly for that price and if it's not TOO much work involved, i'd consider it a hell of a deal.

any idea on numbers we'd be puttin out ? (v6s and 4 cyls?)
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Postby DatSRBoi » Wed Feb 06, 2008 2:27 pm

For laughs and giggles.

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AHAHA funny name.
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Postby Solarizona » Wed Feb 06, 2008 3:08 pm

If I still have my car when you get everything set up, I'd definitely be interested. I would possibly put off buying a different car and get the turbo. It'd be kick ass if you could pull this off.
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